[also76]

just wondering if anyone in the perth area has done this.

would love to pick your brain about it all and possibly come have a look. just got a whole swift GTI for $150 running (trade in at work, perks of mechanic) and im wondering if its really worth doing it....

any rough idea on cost would be a great help to.

[alien]

IMO you're better to restore the swift and flog it off for more than it cost you =)

[also76]

thought about it, but id rather a motor with some more balls and that i dont have let warm up for 10 mins every morning.

[alien]

if you sell it for enough you could buy a g16b and chuck that in instead... its a way better motor for a sierra... theres tons of threads on GTI vs. G16b etc, do a search and you'll quickly form an opinion one way or the other.

[jonno_racing]

^^^
love people who form a strong opinion with no real world experience.

[also76]

drove one with a 16b in it and just wasnt really impressed.... and i know the GTI engines go hard ! she'll tear up the mud

[also76]

jonno_racing wrote:

^^^
love people who form a strong opinion with no real world experience.

hahahah x2

[alien]

jonno_racing wrote:

^^^
love people who form a strong opinion with no real world experience.

i've got a g16b and i've driven on and offroad with a sierra that had a GTI in it... the gti was always riding the clutch and revving hard compared with my at the time g16a... both had 215/75r15 tyres too so it wasnt like there was gearing involved.

The GTI was faster on the road though, it liked to rev! (well, the driver did).

[jonno_racing]

sounds like a driver fault to me.

the g16b is a great motor and very good in a sierra

so is the g13b it all comes down to what u want to drive and how u want to drive it imo.

[alien]

most likely, this was about 7-8 years ago so i don't remember much other than the above, i dont even remember who the dude was that had the zuk, he was off the suzishop forums or whatever they were back then.

[masterA]

alien wrote:

if you sell it for enough you could buy a g16b and chuck that in instead... its a way better motor for a sierra... theres tons of threads on GTI vs. G16b etc, do a search and you'll quickly form an opinion one way or the other.

He just brought himself a bargain and a great engine for a transplant so why would he sell it and buy a similar thing?!?!
I doubt very much that he will find a G16B for $150....and even if he did it wouldn't be EFI

And im just wondering why is the G16B a better motor in your opinion?

Im not against the G16B....actually i like it just as much as the GTi especially after Dwelly last week and Drova's little beast but you really need to drive a GTi to understand why so many people like those engines
With gearing/diff gears they are a great combination

If you're going to sell the engine let me know and i'll buy it off you

[royce]

There is no substitute for cubic inches, thats why a g16 is better

If its a good GTI it would be a shame to pull it to bits but I guess for $150 its a piece of shit and the engine is likely flogged anyway like all of em

[JrZook]

royce wrote:

There is no substitute for cubic inches, thats why a g16 is better

If its a good GTI it would be a shame to pull it to bits but I guess for $150 its a piece of shit and the engine is likely flogged anyway like all of em

How bout modern day technology?

[jonno_racing]

royce wrote:

There is no substitute for cubic inches, thats why a g16 is better

If its a good GTI it would be a shame to pull it to bits but I guess for $150 its a piece of shit and the engine is likely flogged anyway like all of em

there no substitute modern day technology that's why g13b is better

lol (joking btw)

i tell every one to full reco g13b's before fitting them.. been down this path 2 many times!

also any one who thinks u need to rev a g13b harder than a g16b has obviously NEVER driven one or been in one, they are MUCH nicer to drive than a g13a and dont need to rev as hard to make the same power, they are good in the bush, you can put about the same as any other motor But with the bennift of screaming revs on demand.

in the end there is No perfect motor, buy what YOU want to suit your terrain. and imo if you have never driven or owned a gti sierra your opinion means nothing, the same if you have never driven a g16b sierra your opinion on that conversion means nothing.

i get sick of web wheeling fuckwhits saying that they are shit.. ask any one who has wheeled with me i have NO issues at all with mine.

Phil

[JrZook]

jonno_racing wrote:

royce wrote:

There is no substitute for cubic inches, thats why a g16 is better

If its a good GTI it would be a shame to pull it to bits but I guess for $150 its a piece of shit and the engine is likely flogged anyway like all of em

there no substitute modern day technology that's why g13b is better

lol (joking btw)

i tell every one to full reco g13b's before fitting them.. been down this path 2 many times!

also any one who thinks u need to rev a g13b harder than a g16b has obviously NEVER driven one or been in one, they are MUCH nicer to drive than a g13a and dont need to rev as hard to make the same power, they are good in the bush, you can put about the same as any other motor But with the bennift of screaming revs on demand.

in the end there is No perfect motor, buy what YOU want to suit your terrain. and imo if you have never driven or owned a gti sierra your opinion means nothing, the same if you have never driven a g16b sierra your opinion on that conversion means nothing.

i get sick of web wheeling fuckwhits saying that they are shit.. ask any one who has wheeled with me i have NO issues at all with mine.

Phil

BS!!! It's broken nearly every second week!

[royce]

JrZook wrote:

royce wrote:

There is no substitute for cubic inches, thats why a g16 is better

If its a good GTI it would be a shame to pull it to bits but I guess for $150 its a piece of shit and the engine is likely flogged anyway like all of em

How bout modern day technology?

Modern tech + cubic inches still equals better

G13B isnt modern tech! the head flows worse than a G16B! its smaller! the ECU isnt as refined

I bet a g16b with a cam that matched a G13B and same compression would shit all over it from a massive height

[straty]

Ive just finished the mk3 Gti conversion. It is quite difficult if done right. I currently have 31" tyres on mine and it goes really well at top end but IMO gearing is essential. If ya want I can take ya for a spin ? Before this I had a g16a in it and the Gti will smash it but the Gti is no where near the g16 in terms of tolerance of the larger tyres.

[jonno_racing]

JrZook wrote:

jonno_racing wrote:

royce wrote:

There is no substitute for cubic inches, thats why a g16 is better

If its a good GTI it would be a shame to pull it to bits but I guess for $150 its a piece of shit and the engine is likely flogged anyway like all of em

there no substitute modern day technology that's why g13b is better

lol (joking btw)

i tell every one to full reco g13b's before fitting them.. been down this path 2 many times!

also any one who thinks u need to rev a g13b harder than a g16b has obviously NEVER driven one or been in one, they are MUCH nicer to drive than a g13a and dont need to rev as hard to make the same power, they are good in the bush, you can put about the same as any other motor But with the bennift of screaming revs on demand.

in the end there is No perfect motor, buy what YOU want to suit your terrain. and imo if you have never driven or owned a gti sierra your opinion means nothing, the same if you have never driven a g16b sierra your opinion on that conversion means nothing.

i get sick of web wheeling fuckwhits saying that they are shit.. ask any one who has wheeled with me i have NO issues at all with mine.

Phil

BS!!! It's broken nearly every second week!

hahah that's driver erra mostly lol.. atm i have been trying to sort out a few things to make it run perfect, that i can pass on with other conversions.

[masterA]

straty wrote:

Ive just finished the mk3 Gti conversion. It is quite difficult if done right. I currently have 31" tyres on mine and it goes really well at top end but IMO gearing is essential. If ya want I can take ya for a spin ? Before this I had a g16a in it and the Gti will smash it but the Gti is no where near the g16 in terms of tolerance of the larger tyres.

Coming from a person that's had both engines fitted....

The G16 might have abit more torque down low but with the right gearing the GTi will be just as good with the added benefit of reving well past 7,000rpm if required

Alot of people forget that it comes down to the terrain you will be driving and if the car will be your daily.

Here in WA we don't have too many places for rock crawling....its more sand driving and takes about 4 hours to get to any decent places if you want to go......so on-road drivability IMO is important

Anyone that lives in WA will tell you that sand over here is soooo much different to eastern states....it's like powder in summer and sometimes you just need to mash that peddal..... know that i would rather have 2500-3000rpm to play with on big/steep hills

Like i said before....whichever way you go they are both a great conversion and in my opinion both conversions will need gearing

[masterA]

royce wrote:

JrZook wrote:

royce wrote:

There is no substitute for cubic inches, thats why a g16 is better

If its a good GTI it would be a shame to pull it to bits but I guess for $150 its a piece of shit and the engine is likely flogged anyway like all of em

How bout modern day technology?

Modern tech + cubic inches still equals better

G13B isnt modern tech! the head flows worse than a G16B! its smaller! the ECU isnt as refined

I bet a g16b with a cam that matched a G13B and same compression would shit all over it from a massive height

Are we talking about a direct swap here or with aftermarket ECU's and cams/head?!

I agree that both engines aren't refined but they can be with aftermarket bits and pieces.

If you want to put aftermarket ECU's on the GTi then checkout redlinegti.com and see what some of those engines pump out with a different cam, cam gear adjustement and an aftermarket ECU. Putting a chip on the normal ECU will make the engine rev to 8,400rpm

Just as an example of a race engine for a GTi (non-turbo) producing 210HP
http://www.pt2w.com/srd/index.php?main_ ... ucts_id=97

For a turbo race engine (350-450HP)
http://www.pt2w.com/srd/index.php?main_ ... ucts_id=98

I guess it all depends on how deep your pockets are