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Post Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:51 pm 
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im replacing my alternator coz its dead im getting sick of charging my battery every night and only being able to listen to the radio on the way to work and not home...

Ive read the brilliant outers post by B4T
but just wanted to double check a few things... This appears the easiest way do the conversion

So you:
1. Drain Radiator
2. Remove Radiator fan/shroud
3. Remove Radiator
4. Remove old alternator-battery charge wire & three socket plug from rear of alternator
5. Remove old alternator.
6. Remove Alternator mounting bracket
7. Drill hole in bracket to suit new 110A mitsubishi alternator from a Ford EF/E? etc...
8. Remove water pump - find a Barina multi groove water pump pulley
9. Remove main Crank pulley - Replace with Barina one???
10. Attach Barina water pump pulley
11. Attach Barina Crank pulley
12. Attach alternator mounting bracket
13. Attach New Falcon alternator
14. Attach Dayco 3PK0840 840mm multi V belt -make sure all aligned
15. Get a 70amp wire from an auto-elec with a 100amp fuseable link
16. Attach new 70amp wire direct from alternator to battery
17. Plug three socket connector into Falcon alternator
18. Check connections
19. Replace Radiator & shroud & fill radiator with coolant
20. Go buy a second battery, some big arse lights, air compressor, air horn, rear work light, 6 speaker sound system, waeco, etc...

So i think thats all i need to do but if anyone sees something blatently obvious im missing please let me know or if you know what model barina the pulleys and water pump need to come off that would be awesome too... even better if anyone had any of these laying around in melbourne somewhere... :)
cheers guys hopefully soon ill be able to drive places i know there isnt a power point at the end of the night!
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Post Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:59 pm 
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I think it's the EL GHIA alternator you want, 110 amp

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Post Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:23 pm 
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I think it's the EL GHIA alternator you want, 110 amp


yeah el any model with power windows should have the 110 amp theres a shit load of em in pick a part in dapto

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:04 am 
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sick.... so nothing else to worry bout in how i describe the operations???

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:37 am 
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mm I like the sound of 110 amps!but why not just change the Alt front pully?I had a magna 80amp on my old zook,it bolts straght in(just used a thnner bolt for the retainer/slider) maybe you could use the magna pully on the el alt??

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:52 am 
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hehe.. for the falcon alternator B4T pointed out the normal v pulley seems to not like strain of the 110amp alternator... didnt want to have to do this mod twice... magna eh? interesting...

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:05 am 
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what year barina? and what tools would be needed to get the pulleys and the alternator from a wreckers?

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:32 am 
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alternators they usually pull out first keep em behind the desk... pulleys are the harder part... might need to buy the whole water pump...

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:23 am 
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-radiator comes out before the shroud..
-shroud goes in before the radiator

Size wise on the nuts n bolts IIRC
Crank pullys are 4x10mm(these have a key way), w/p is also 4x10mm..
THINK the alt. bottom was a 14..top maybe the same..ICR. the power was either a 12 or a 13.. um..thats it.. ill stop guessing now ;)

Vitara 1.6 w/p pullys fit the sierra w/p and mean not changing the w/p or alt. pully to fit the multi rib :) bout $20 from zook wreckers..

Barina pully on the left Sierra on the right.
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-there is two altenators, one bosch..(AVOID LIKE THE PLAUGE) one mitsubishi..What you want ;)

Wreckers have $15 alt specials.. keep an eye out..
TAKE THE PLUG! grab a few bolts while your there, maybe a top alt. bracket if there is something useable..

cant recall which way around the wires go.. I notice I dont have a battery light come on with ignition anymore either.... odd.. yet nothing was left disconnected..hmm..


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:24 am 
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I have since discovered the easiest way to upgrade the alt is when you need to replace the water pump.


Start collecting parts. You need the swift bottom pulley and water pump pulley and an El alternator. When water pump dies DONT get the sierra one get a SWIFt water pump and fit that and the pulleys. tyhe alt will lign up perfectly and is now a multi V belt. the belt you will need is a 4v 840mm long.

The stock sierra fan is now not useable as the bolt spacings is different but you will now have more than enough power to run a thermo



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Post Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:32 am 
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Sweet so I need a swift crank pulley, replace water pump with swift water pump and get a thermo fan? Why do you love thermo fans b4t? Do you have to switch them on and off All the time or is it an auto thing?

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:16 pm 
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therm fan was just easier to do.
Ive since installed a clutch fan and it works sensationally. Dont know it was off but. had the same bolt spacing so i used it.

If running a thermo use a temp switch to turn it on/off automatically but with an overide switch to turn it off for water crossings.

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Post Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:16 am 
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cool so you are using swift crank pulley, swift water pump, standard EL alternator pulley, 840mm belt and unknown radiator fan with correct bolt spacing for swift water pump?

just want to make sure i dont go wasting money buying the wrong thing atm...

oh shit just realized a clutch fan is something different entirely... anyone know of any normal radiator fans that could work (trying to save the $$$)

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Post Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:16 pm 
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is this the water pump i should be getting??
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/SUZUKI-CINO-SWIF ... 518bd2c04c

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Post Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:40 pm 
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The Subject of this thread says EA. Is that correct? I thought it was EL/EF only.

I know for sure that AU doesn't fit.

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Post Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:13 am 
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Not sure on EA but definately EF-EL the part no. is in this snippet from my build up:

Fitted a New Alternator out of An EL Falcon, I'm Now Packin' 110Amps!
Note: In order to do this conversion as I have you will need an EL Fairmont 110amp (Mitsubishi Brand) Alternator Part Number (94AD-10300-AD), Swift/ Barina water pump and pulleys both crank and water pump ones and you'll also need to run a thermo fan because the bolt spacing on the water pump is different and you wont be able to run your standard fan unless you make a complete new fan spacer ( Way too hard without a lathe!) also needed is a thermo switch to activate the fan!
I already had the Barina Multi groove Pulleys fitted as This Engine came out of a 89'-93' Barina so just had to drill out bottom bolt on bracket and mount Alternator up with long M10 fine thread bolt all the way thru!
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then just bolt up original top bracket no bending needed and check alignment, all seemed to line up fine:
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Also orig belt was too short was 812mm got one 840mm long and is a perfect fit! (Dayco 3PK0840).
As mine was an external reg Alternator originally I had to bridge regulator under dash just loop the wires as shown:
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and connect alternator wiring up. Now as mine was orig a 1ltr engine and still has all 1Ltr wiring I had to work out what wires went where? I worked it out eventually just had to make sure she was charging and all lights on dash worked properly. Here's what I did: Delete the Black wire fold it back and tape back, then connect the white/green wire to the top pin on Alt then the white/Black one to the bottom pin then just connect charge wire and she's all done! You will have to work out this end for yourselves as my wiring colors will be different unless you have an 83' ish SJ410 as well?
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Post Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:34 am 
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Thanks Bogfrog thats a mint summary

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Post Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:05 am 
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No stress mate thats what we are all here for! :wink:

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Post Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:34 am 
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IVe noticed when looking for alts on ebay that some parts interchange between EL and v6 Mazda 929 so could be the same alternator, might be an option to look at

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Post Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:27 am 
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guys I'm curious if there is any certain year range of swift water pump i should look out for?

Just trying to collect parts to do this over xmas.

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Post Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:06 pm 
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just did this mod on my coily and it was easy as, just let you know any coily owners who wish to do this you don't have to change your pulleys as they already run multigroove belts and its just a matter of cutting your old plug of and soldering on a new one, and drilling out the bracket. i used aPK0840 belt but you could get away with an 820-830 as mine was near the end of adjustment.

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:05 pm 
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Bought a alternator over the net which was described as the mitsi one, but the idiots sent me the bosch 108amp one... anyone know if that fits unlike the 100amp brother?

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:08 pm 
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foonji wrote:
Bought a alternator over the net which was described as the mitsi one, but the idiots sent me the bosch 108amp one... anyone know if that fits unlike the 100amp brother?


Nah I have a bosch one here and it wont bolt on like the Mitsu one does.

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:36 pm 
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EF/EL V8 = Bosch
EF/EL 6 cyl = Mitsubishi.

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Bloody idiots... they even said it came from a V6...

Now to try and get my $$ back...

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:15 pm 
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foonji wrote:
Bloody idiots... they even said it came from a V6...

Now to try and get my $$ back...

That should have told you something....
Falcons don't come with a V6.

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I don't know falcons... So I would of had no idea that they don't..

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There is no need to chang the water pump if you use a vit water pump pulley I just redrilled the vit crank pulley to suit

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:11 am 
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now the most important question of them all........
will all this fit straight into a 1L???????

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anyone.....

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