[sierrajim]

Just finished off the install on my Zook fitted with a G16B.

Required items:
1.3ltr Sierra alternator bracket
6cyl falcon alternator and wiring plug
8050 4pk belt (an 8040 or 45 would be a little better to give more clearance between the inner guard and the steering shaft.

Had to flip the wrag joint to the steering wheel end.

[foolsp33d]

Paint n panels next?

[sierrajim]

foolsp33d wrote:

:woohoo:

Paint n panels next?

1/2 doors are 3/4 finished. Onto the horsefloat next then onto swapping the body on the zook.

[rob_macca67]

Well.....

I finally got around to installing a 110amp EF ALT in my Vit.... what a PITA. With limited room + the problem of access due to the BodyLift.
It took me ages to get it in place & I even gave up at one point and thought about just getting the original one re-conditioned.... After a days rest to rethink & cool down + giving my hands a chance to stop bleeding & heal, I gave it one final go..... success

I had to modify the Alt a little bit + the top swing bracket, but finally came together..... It's now charging at around 14.5 to 14.8max. I'll just have to continue to monitor the charging volts to make sure it doesn't go higher than 14.8

Has there been many ppl with Vitaras that have done this mod??

[whincup]

did some sierra's have only 4 bolts for the crank pulley? if so, what pulley do you use to do this swap?

did it in my old SWB sierra with no dramas, it had a 5 bolt crank pulley. but my new maruti has had a 1.3 in it with only a 4 bolt crank pulley...

[Shansh]

4 bolts on my crank pulley, g13a

[whincup]

ah, G13A, no worries. swift crank pulley fits these does it to make it multi rib?

[Shansh]

i just went back through the thread and had a bit of a read, it appears that the crank pulley off a swift will do the job & the easiest thought not cheapest option for the water pump is to change to a swift water pump which will obviously have the right pulley on it already

[jdk81]

Once again to summarise whats needs for this mod

sierrajim wrote:

Required items:
1.3ltr Sierra alternator bracket
6cyl falcon alternator and wiring plug and keep that big long bolt which you find when you remove it
8050 4pk belt (an 8040 or 45 would be a little better to give more clearance between the inner guard and the steering shaft.

Extra required items for a Sierra
Vit water pump pulley
Or use a swift water pump pulley + swift water pump + buy thermos (most work, most expensive and least reliable).

If your crank is 4 bolt use swift multi rib pulley
If your crank is 5 bolt use baleno or vit or swift 1.6 spfi multi rib pulley

Beer

jdk81 wrote:

I used the vitara wp pulley $20 (from suziworld), a swift crank pulley ($7 from the wreckers). Make sure it is the correct wp pulley, with similar offset to standard 1.3 single v pulley. The other benefit of this is not changing the wp, and being able to keep the standard fan.

It appears earlier on in this tech article the most common occurence was to use swift wp pulley, swift water pump and convert to thermo fans.
Using the swift water pump pulley and water pump is the most expensive way (need to buy thermo fan kit too) to do this mod, unless you redrill the pulley (I wouldnt).

The best method in my opinion for a vit or sierra, is suitable crank pulley, vit wp pulley (I advise installing a vit thermoclutch fan too).
This method is the cheapest.

EDIT: spelling

[whincup]

Shansh wrote:

easiest thought not cheapest option for the water pump is to change to a swift water pump which will obviously have the right pulley on it already

Nope the easiest and cheapest option, wp pulley off a barina is a direct fit onto the sierra water pump. saves changing the water pump...

sorry for asking again, i just wanted to be sure it was the swift crank pulley. already have everything else good to go... btw, i found the 8040 belt was almost too big in my case, 8050 definitely wouldnt have fit...

[Shansh]

good to know about the barina wp pulley

[zooky08]

I used swift crank pully(had ps aswell)
And g16a wp pulley

[whincup]

not sure what crank pulley i have but it has PS too, but its a 5 bolt pulley and my current engine only has 4 bolts. so gotta hunt for one that'll work

[zooky08]

That might be a g16b crank pulley
Im sure G16a has a 4 bolt wp pulley and g16b has a 5 bolt wp pulley
Crank pulley may be the say

[jdk81]

whincup wrote:

not sure what crank pulley i have but it has PS too, but its a 5 bolt pulley and my current engine only has 4 bolts. so gotta hunt for one that'll work

Please check 4 posts up (my previous post), you will be wanting a swift crank pulley.

zooky08 wrote:

That might be a g16b crank pulley
Im sure G16a has a 4 bolt wp pulley and g16b has a 5 bolt wp pulley
Crank pulley may be the say

Are you sure?
I havent seen any 5 bolt wp pulleys on vitaras.

[31zook]

A swift water pump and pulley was what o bolted to my old G13A

[Aaron]

hey guys everyone is saying that you need a pulley off a "swift" or "barina" water pump etc etc. im just wondering what model do i need to look for here a 2012 swift pulley or a 1990 swift?? Also i was looking on lowrange and i came accross this http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.ph ... lleys.html there is four different choices there for a crank pulley and i dont know which one would be best suited to me? any help would be great thanks. also my car is a 1988 g13a sierra

[stewy91]

you would need the one the fourth one since it needs to be ribbed and it uses the inner one

[jdk81]

Um its hard to tell wat you need.
As it doesnt say how many bolts the 1.6 has (usualy 5 bolts), you need 4 bolts.

EDIT: As per the LROR stuff
I wouldnt bother to be honest, just get a second hand one.

EDIT: As per what swift to look for.
You want an older swift (g13a engine)

The rest of the info you seek is in my post, 8 posts above yours.

Once again, get a vit water pump pulley and keep your stock waterpump. You want to keep mechanical fan, it is cheaper, and more reliable. If you really a vit thermoclutch fan is the only fan worth replacing the stock fan for imo.
And get a swift multi rib harmonic balancer (crank pulley) with 4 bolts.

[DAZOOK_96]

Ok so did this mod on my coily, i drilled out the mounting bracket and wired up the ford plug, buttt i didnt change the battery wire coz i wanted keep the clip thingy on the wire.

But now it wont start, no turning, nothing.
could it be because of the battery wire, or should itt still start?

[jdk81]

That battery wire has a fusable link (near the battery), it goes to fuse box and goes to ignition.
In your situation, if the fusible link near the battery has blown, you would lose all power at the ignition.

Remember you just upgraded your alternator, so you need to upgrade your cable to the battery.
I ran cable from alt to battery via a fuse box at battery. I then ran another fuse in the fuse box (replaced the fusable link) to connect the white/yellow wire.

From your other thread, you removed starter motor. (ensure you have earth bolted to motor, and the positive to the starter motor).
If all your dash lights work correctly (your fuseable link is fine for now).
Ensure the single plug that goes to the starter solenoid is connected properly. It is easy to get this wrong, and not connect it properly.

EDIT: Typed battery instead of alternator

[Damo]

jdk81 wrote:

That battery wire has a fusable link (near the battery), it goes to fuse box and goes to ignition.
In your situation, if the fusible link near the battery has blown, you would lose all power at the ignition.

Remember you just upgraded your Battery, so you need to upgrade your cable to the battery.
I ran cable from alt to battery via a fuse box at battery. I then ran another fuse in the fuse box (replaced the fusable link) to connect the white/yellow wire.

From your other thread, you removed starter motor. (ensure you have earth bolted to motor, and the positive to the starter motor).
If all your dash lights work correctly (your fuseable link is fine for now).
Ensure the single plug that goes to the starter solenoid is connected properly. It is easy to get this wrong, and not connect it properly.

That would be the first thing i'd be checking.

[DAZOOK_96]

Ok Im going to have an fiddle today, see how i go.

[94BAZOOKA]

If you need a hand let me know

[DAZOOK_96]

ok so got the motor running, and the car was running without the battery, but it wont charge???
I think i might just take it to the auto lec tomorrow.

[whincup]

DAZOOK_96 wrote:

ok so got the motor running, and the car was running without the battery, but it wont charge???
I think i might just take it to the auto lec tomorrow.

what wires are attached to the alternator? you should have your main power wire that runs directly to the battery, then theres 2 signal wires that go into a plug on the back of the alternator as well... i'll bet either one or both of them is unplugged, or they're the wrong way around.

[Samurai81]

I've just done this conversion on the G16 TBI in my Samurai. I went from the 35 amp standard, to a 70 amp Vitara and now to the 110 amp Ford one made by Mitsubishi. Its wired right and the charge wire has been upgraded BUT it does scream a lot when charging. I know this is from the load as it recovers the battery from the start discharge and I could reduce/eliminate it by tightening the belt. My question is how tight before the alternator bearing gets damaged and has anyone ever over tightened the belt?
Steve.

[jono165]

Hope you guys can help. Does anyone have a pic of a G13BA with vitara power steering AND the el falcon alternator upgrade. From my understand i will need G16A crank pulley and timing cog (or redrill holes to a 4 bolt pattern in crank pulley), G16a water pump pulley, EL falcon alt and belts to suit?
I have come across a very cheap vitara PS setup so i am looking at changing the timing belt, pulleys, water pump etc all at once. Would like to know if its possible to have a big alternator and PS on a G13BA.

[jdk81]

jono165...
you want a swift crank pulley (4 bolts, multi rib/multi rib). (from a swift/barina with a/c)
G16a water pump pulley

EL falcon and belts to suit

[gvzookdriver]

So what's the differences in the Bosch n mitsh alts ?? And why won't they both work