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Author:  mr_ron [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:30 am ]
Post subject:  Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
Hey guys, I have the chance to get an efi G13 motor from a carry.. being a G13 will this bolt into my existing engine mounting points?

Thanks, Ron
Author:  joel [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
from a carry?
did u wake up to a stolen engine ron?
Author:  mr_ron [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
haha nah mate wrote his 2000 carry off and I can have it for $200 complete car so if the motor will bolt in which i think it will.. i may have a conversion project on teh cards :P
Author:  xedent [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
the engine is on its side and so is the gearbox, i think it would be very hard to do.
Author:  BlueSuzy [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
Sump is special. Engine is slanted, gearbox is straight.

So if you mount the engine straight, when the sierra gearbox is bolted up, it will be in a big tilt.

There is a thread somewhere on here about them
Author:  oozuk [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
So what's stopping you from fitting a Sierra sump, pickup and gearbox ?
Author:  christover1 [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
There is bound to be $200 worth of useful parts, I reckon worth a gamble
Author:  BlueSuzy [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
Carry motor http://www.auszookers.com/index.php?nam ... arry+g13bb

You would need an adaptor plate to gearbox, to keep everything straight..
Author:  mr_ron [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
Ahh ok.. how bout I go the other way and use the efi setup on my sierra G13a?

Yeh for that price I'm going to take it.. gets delivered friday :D

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Ron
Author:  BlueSuzy [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
You could probably use the tank also. Setup for efi.
Author:  mr_ron [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
Ok awesome :D.. So what do you suggest would be the safer bet?

-Transplant the carry G13bb(if i can find somewhere to by the adaption gear)
or
-Use the Efi and tank setup On my already installed motor?

Thanks, Ron
Author:  Teracis [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
Couldn't you just work out how to mount the engine on the piss?

Or is it a completely won't fit deal?

Coz if you could lean it to the passenger side a bit, it just might help with the suzuki lean?
Author:  mr_ron [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
I'm not to sure untill I pull it out and have a look.. I was hoping that i could get away with changing tehoil pick up and sump and bolt it in to my box.. again will just have to wait till i pull it out :)

I think the only way to fix my suzi lean is new calmini 3" springs :P lol..

thats next on the list..
Author:  Fatzook [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
oozuk wrote:
So what's stopping you from fitting a Sierra sump, pickup and gearbox ?


The bellhousing pattern on the motor is clocked 30 degrees, so that the engine can lay over but the gearbox remains verticle.

So if you stand the motor up, the gearbox will be at a 30 degree angle :cry:
Author:  mr_ron [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
Fatzook wrote:
oozuk wrote:
So what's stopping you from fitting a Sierra sump, pickup and gearbox ?


The bellhousing pattern on the motor is clocked 30 degrees, so that the engine can lay over but the gearbox remains verticle.

So if you stand the motor up, the gearbox will be at a 30 degree angle :cry:


Oh ok.. hmm.. Are they internally the same? Eg, can i use the G13bb head on my g13a?
Author:  Fatzook [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
mr_ron wrote:
Fatzook wrote:
oozuk wrote:
So what's stopping you from fitting a Sierra sump, pickup and gearbox ?


The bellhousing pattern on the motor is clocked 30 degrees, so that the engine can lay over but the gearbox remains verticle.

So if you stand the motor up, the gearbox will be at a 30 degree angle :cry:


Oh ok.. hmm.. Are they internally the same? Eg, can i use the G13bb head on my g13a?


No idea. That is the extent of my knowledge on the matter :(
Author:  mr_ron [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
lol thanks anyhow :) :D
The motor needs a flush and clean but I plan to rebuild/refresh it before I install it.. thinking I might use the efi head and I'll head up and grab a smokey motor from Jas and morph the 2 together :twisted:

seem like a good idea to me :peaceout:
Author:  christover1 [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
You need to get a tape measure, park them side by side, and have a good look, you may think of something brilliant.
Drop it in and have look see, as all the theories are not as good as suck it and see.
Unless its a DD that needs to be kept going.
Author:  mr_ron [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
yeh its my Daily also.. hence the need to have it 'guaranteed' to go in.. if that makes sence.

first thing is to rip it out and strip what parts are good off the carry and ebay them.. if i make $200 back i'll be cheering.. :lol:

then I can start on the rebuild.. will be needing new springs first.. have a pretty awesome Suzy lean happening lol..
Author:  303zuke [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
Fatzook wrote:
oozuk wrote:
So what's stopping you from fitting a Sierra sump, pickup and gearbox ?


The bellhousing pattern on the motor is clocked 30 degrees, so that the engine can lay over but the gearbox remains verticle.

So if you stand the motor up, the gearbox will be at a 30 degree angle :cry:


Are you sure the bolt pattern on the engine block is rotated?? Or the is it gearbox?

I've played with the F10A used in the Super Carry, and it is an identical block to the 1.0lt Sierra. It just has a rotated pattern on the gearbox bellhousing, NOT the block. The engine is interchangable but uses a different Sump, Exhaust and Inlet manifold to accomodate the slant. I think they would have done the same with the G13BB in the Carry.

I think you'd be fine using the Carry 1.3 with a Coily/Jimny sump and oil pick-up and using the right gearbox. I probably go with a Coily G13BB box as it will be more similar to a Sierra than a Jimny box.

Although the Inlet manifold is slanted, you should ne fine with it being EFI, unless it causes clearances issues on the RH inner guard.

Out of interest, Suzuki has used the G16B in the APV van. It is also laid over on it's side, and I would bet it is also a standard block with different sump and manifolds, and the gearbox pattern rotated.
Author:  Fatzook [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
303zuke wrote:
Fatzook wrote:
oozuk wrote:
So what's stopping you from fitting a Sierra sump, pickup and gearbox ?


The bellhousing pattern on the motor is clocked 30 degrees, so that the engine can lay over but the gearbox remains verticle.

So if you stand the motor up, the gearbox will be at a 30 degree angle :cry:


Are you sure the bolt pattern on the engine block is rotated?? Or the is it gearbox?



I crawled under one at a dealership, and could swear the bellhousing looked the same as a standard BB box. But ya never know.....

And don't the slanted motor have a longer block casting on one side to help accomodate the sump? Or does that extended part of the block just unbolt? :?
Author:  2stroker [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
Yeah it is definately the gearbox that is different not the block on the early ones so I would imagine it would be the same deal with the later ones. I cant imagine them recasting the block to suit the vans.
Author:  303zuke [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
Fatzook wrote:
And don't the slanted motor have a longer block casting on one side to help accomodate the sump? Or does that extended part of the block just unbolt? :?


No idea, too new for my experience.

This pic off the net shows a G13BB from a Carry. In it you can see the different exhaust manifold and LH engine mount bracket to lay it over on it's side.

You can see the rocker cover is different to put the oil filler cap at the right angle for a slant engine, but what about the sump? You can't see too much of it from that angle, but it looks to me to be an ordinary skirt flange for the sump, even the same as a G13A/G13BA??
Author:  mr_ron [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
so if its the same blcok, this means it will bolt in however the motor would be vertical and not on a lean? I'm guessing the lean comes from how it mounts into the carry? would this affect how the engine ran I.e: would it need to be mounted in the sierra on a lean?

If not and it can be bolted vertically - can i just use a coily sump and pickup, And just use the carry bellhousing on my G13a box, and use my extractors?

Or am I thinking on the wrong path of things lol :)..

Ron
Author:  joel [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
mr_ron wrote:
so if its the same blcok, this means it will bolt in however the motor would be vertical and not on a lean? I'm guessing the lean comes from how it mounts into the carry? would this affect how the engine ran I.e: would it need to be mounted in the sierra on a lean?

If not and it can be bolted vertically - can i just use a coily sump and pickup, And just use the carry bellhousing on my G13a box, and use my extractors?

Or am I thinking on the wrong path of things lol :)..

Ron

charger hemis did pretty well on a lean.
Author:  mr_ron [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
mr_ron wrote:
so if its the same blcok, this means it will bolt in however the motor would be vertical and not on a lean? I'm guessing the lean comes from how it mounts into the carry? would this affect how the engine ran I.e: would it need to be mounted in the sierra on a lean?

If not and it can be bolted vertically - can i just use a coily sump and pickup, And just use the carry bellhousing on my G13a box, and use my extractors?

Or am I thinking on the wrong path of things lol :)..

Ron


Wait hang on :lol: .. If its the bellhousing on the gearbox is all that is different and not the motor, then when the carry motor is mounted vertically my box will mount exactly as the G13a that i'm already running does?

The only thing that will differ is the sump/pickup and the exhaust manifold? which are interchangeable from Coily/jimny's?

Ron
Author:  303zuke [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
mr_ron wrote:
mr_ron wrote:
so if its the same blcok, this means it will bolt in however the motor would be vertical and not on a lean? I'm guessing the lean comes from how it mounts into the carry? would this affect how the engine ran I.e: would it need to be mounted in the sierra on a lean?

If not and it can be bolted vertically - can i just use a coily sump and pickup, And just use the carry bellhousing on my G13a box, and use my extractors?

Or am I thinking on the wrong path of things lol :)..

Ron


Wait hang on :lol: .. If its the bellhousing on the gearbox is all that is different and not the motor, then when the carry motor is mounted vertically my box will mount exactly as the G13a that i'm already running does?

The only thing that will differ is the sump/pickup and the exhaust manifold? which are interchangeable from Coily/jimny's?

Ron


Got it!

But the Inlet manifold is also angled to suit the slant. EFI will function on the slant, but it may foul on body or chassis bits, or not line up with the air filter.
Author:  mr_ron [ Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
Ahh ok my brains finally decided to click lol..

Well the air filter isnt worrying me as much I can work with making something up..

As for the Intake, i wasnt really worried but now i am :P I dont fancy trying to find an intake plenium.. would probably be cheaper to get a custom one made lol.

Will know for sure when i sit it in the engine bay and can physically see whats what..

Ron
Author:  Teracis [ Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
Could you flip the intake over? If it was going to be in the road...
Author:  christover1 [ Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Suzuki Carry G13b into sierra?
Just a thought, get a wreck zook, practise fit everything, when happy, put it all in the DD
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