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| Author: | Vits93 [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Adjusting caster on a vit |
The old girl has caster problems, it pulls to the left pretty bad even after the wheel alignment. I cant find any caster bolts or even camber bolts that have the bolt length and i dont know if the offset bushes like the ones from bits4vits fit the calmini arms. If anyone can point me in the right direction my right arm will love you for it. |
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| Author: | FullyZooked [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
Bits4vits is where my camber bolts came from. I'd be surprised if the calmini struts had wider mounting points than stock so they would be fine. Someone correct me on the cal struts if they know otherwise. |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
camber bolts to suit a Vitara will fit any strut, not sure about the caster bushes fitting the Calmini control arms... as a guess I would say no. |
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| Author: | christover1 [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
What makes You sure its a caster problem? Could be the infamous idler arm/bush issue? If it is a caster problem caused by a big lift, search "hagen widening mod" for a possible solution |
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| Author: | Vits93 [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
Yeah Atari your right bits4vits bushes won't fit the calmini arms. Christover1 i had a wheel alignment done and they gave me the print out showing its out left is +1.33 and right is +2.20. I did have a look at the idler arm just to be safe nothing is bent, got the missus to move the steering wheel left and right and i couldn't see any play in the bushing. I think i will have to find a place to make up some offset bushes for the calmini arms. |
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| Author: | christover1 [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
Hopefully there is something off the shelf from some other fitment.. |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
Vits93 wrote: Yeah Atari your right bits4vits bushes won't fit the calmini arms.
Christover1 i had a wheel alignment done and they gave me the print out showing its out left is +1.33 and right is +2.20. I did have a look at the idler arm just to be safe nothing is bent, got the missus to move the steering wheel left and right and i couldn't see any play in the bushing. I think i will have to find a place to make up some offset bushes for the calmini arms. is that camber or castor? |
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| Author: | Vits93 [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
atari4x4 wrote: Vits93 wrote: Yeah Atari your right bits4vits bushes won't fit the calmini arms. Christover1 i had a wheel alignment done and they gave me the print out showing its out left is +1.33 and right is +2.20. I did have a look at the idler arm just to be safe nothing is bent, got the missus to move the steering wheel left and right and i couldn't see any play in the bushing. I think i will have to find a place to make up some offset bushes for the calmini arms. is that camber or castor? Caster |
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| Author: | royce [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
for that much different I would be looking for whats bent first, thats a fair difference otherwise a 'dodgy' person might slot the left hand rear mount outwards a bit until the castor was correct and weld soem washers in place to fix it in place and correct the castor |
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| Author: | Vits93 [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
royce wrote: for that much different I would be looking for whats bent first, thats a fair difference
otherwise a 'dodgy' person might slot the left hand rear mount outwards a bit until the castor was correct and weld soem washers in place to fix it in place and correct the castor i think the cross member has been pushed to the right but shouldn't it be very noticeable to make nearly 1 deg difference and it didn't pull to left before i put the lift kit in unless the lift exaggerated problem. |
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| Author: | royce [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
does it drive straight if you sit in the right lane of a multilane road? IE so the road is cambering to the right not the left? |
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| Author: | Vits93 [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
royce wrote: does it drive straight if you sit in the right lane of a multilane road? IE so the road is cambering to the right not the left?
Nah its pretty bad, the 12 o'clock position on the steering wheel on a straight flat road sits at about the 2 o'clock position, no matter what road I'm on I'm always pulling the steering wheel to the right. Do you think i could use 14mm camber bolts to replace the control arm rear bolts? I just don't know about the length of the camber bolts, standard bolts are 90mm from under the bolt head to end of the thread . |
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| Author: | royce [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
do you know what your camber is? I've found shitty camber accounts for more weird shit than castor I think youd be better of trying to find some eccentric bolts out of some other car with similar bush dimensions |
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| Author: | Vits93 [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
royce wrote: do you know what your camber is? I've found shitty camber accounts for more weird shit than castor
I think youd be better of trying to find some eccentric bolts out of some other car with similar bush dimensions Sorry that's what meant to say 
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| Author: | Vits93 [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
Well i fixed the caster issue, i used Royce's 'dodgy person' idea and slotted the rear holes, it was that bad the bolt holes had to be moved 8mm to the left but it now tracks correctly. Thanks everyone for your assistance. Here's some photos excuse the welds
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| Author: | shandy92 [ Wed May 14, 2014 10:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
Hey all, i know this is a bit of a grave dig but searches will do that. Had a wheel alignment today as i was getting bad wear on my new tyres:( it pulls to the left rather bad. Camber and toe are good, but caster is bad LH IS -0.03deg and right is +1.4. I have a straight heavy duty idler arm brace. What should i be looking for? Worn bushes in front control arms? Busted strut mount bush? Thanks Mitch |
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| Author: | fordem [ Wed May 14, 2014 11:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
Caster is the front~back tilt of the "king-pin" - since you have macpherson strut suspension there is no "king-pin" perse, so you're looking at an imaginary line drawn from the strut mount at the top to the ball-joint at the bottom - the points around which the wheel pivots. Anything that moves one of these points in a front~back direction will cause the caster to change, anything that moves them sideways will cause the camber to change. I find it strange that camber would be good & caster out - but - if that's what you got I would be looking for a bent control arm. |
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| Author: | shandy92 [ Thu May 15, 2014 4:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
Yeah i understand the concepts, ture shop pretty much said every bush in the front end causes caster issue! Which im not that retarted. So flogged out control bushes wouldnt cause it? |
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| Author: | got_bar_work [ Thu May 15, 2014 5:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
Tiny amounts yes Check ur towers One could be bent back |
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| Author: | fordem [ Thu May 15, 2014 12:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
If the bushes are shot they will affect both caster & camber - which is why I find it strange that camber is good but caster is not. |
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| Author: | shandy92 [ Thu May 15, 2014 4:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
Ok ill check the towers, i got camber bolts in so they prob adjuted them to fix the issue. Or would it be way out still? |
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| Author: | shandy92 [ Mon May 19, 2014 4:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
Well checked the towers, couldnt really fault them. Its only 2 deg between the left and right, should i be able to see that? I compared both sides without a difference seen. Can someone measure between the two front arm mount bolts? Pls (center of bolt to Center of bolt). Thanks |
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| Author: | christover1 [ Mon May 19, 2014 4:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
I get 450mm but it is dark, so not dead accurate. |
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| Author: | shandy92 [ Mon May 19, 2014 8:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
Ok thanks chris, how do u find the castor correction bushes? Did u take both arms completely off to fit them? |
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| Author: | christover1 [ Mon May 19, 2014 8:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
shandy92 wrote: Ok thanks chris, how do u find the castor correction bushes? Did u take both arms completely off to fit them? Mine seems to handle much better with them. Hardest part was removing the old bushes. I did it with the arms off, as my bushes needed a lot of aggression to remove. If Your bushes easily remove, then on car could be done. |
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| Author: | shandy92 [ Tue May 20, 2014 4:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
Ok thanks, how long did it take you all up? Mine is 43.8cm. Thanks |
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| Author: | christover1 [ Tue May 20, 2014 7:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Adjusting caster on a vit |
Was all done in a day. So allow half a day for a fit bloke with good tools. |
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