I guess it's all relative. If you're building a road legal competition car or a show and shine hotrod then the certificate is say under 5% of your project costs. If you just want to slap an M18 into your jimny then it doubles your costs.

Wow, guess what, I just literally got told over the phone that my vehicle cannot be engineered because the new enngine size was not factory fitment and I will have to undergo brake tests involving the hiring of a test track, and that I probably cannot afford it.

What the hell is going on?

get another opinion. Unfortunately these rules are all to often open to interpretation.

Under the old rules the biggest motor a 1.3L could have without jumping through hoops was a 1.6L. You are outside that with your 1.8, so I would imagine that you would have had to take the same course of action to obtain engineering then, as you do now.

You know what you are talking about, but the note on that Guideline said that 4x4 are exempt under the old rules. Jimny is a true 4x4.

what motor is in yours atm? 1.5L for a jim is ok with no engineering in old rules.

sounds like you lot are getting the laws WA has had for years.

by making the engineering process more difficult all theyre doing is encouraging people to drive illegal vehicles.... they think that tightening the rules means less people will modify but its so not true. Before i modded my sierra it was common to hear of all sorts of 4wds being engineered and approved for road use, because it was a relatively simple process that didnt cost an arm and a leg.

Nowadays no one even bothers enquiring about engineering cos nothings passable anymore.

Because NSW has had it piss easy to get all sorts of borderline stupid shit approved for years and instead of appreciating what they had wankers kept pushing the limits and now its been ruined for everyone

Now NSW has to play by the same rules as the rest of the country, sucked in

Thats Just Bollocks...

Yes People have pushed the boundaries... but Not all of us do it stupid...

its all these Crunts who drive around in 6" lifted cruisers without drop boxes, steering modifications... etc...

Fuck them all... I won't Be engineering my Suzuki in a hurry... especially not at those costs...


I already pay

Stamp duty
Tax on Rego
Tax on Fuel
Tax on Parts
Tax on Carbon Emissions (indirectly)
Tax on my income to Pay for all of this....


Im just waiting for the Oxygen Tax...

The RTA - Robbing Thieves Association

Mine is engineered now for spoa body lift etc etc but still get hassled. Their opinion is you have passed once do it again

I'm happy to pay $2000 to have my vehicles engineered that isn't the major issue. Money is money and things always go up in price this will never change.

The thing that bugs me is that if I am $100 or $2000 I wanna know that the piece of paper that I have with an engineers signature on it is legit and that the guy that has done the cert is smarter then your average c@ck of a policeman. Fair enough make it expensive make defined guidelines but if I have passed and I pull out that bit of paper I expect to drive away without a notice for a full inspection at the pits.

Mine is engineered now for spoa body lift etc etc but still get hassled. Their opinion is you have passed once do it again

If its old mate's buisness to keep his commodore stock then thats his Buisness not mine...


I would just like to make it clear to you, that Everyone should have the right to modify their Car's the right way, and why should we have to pay through the nose just because We ( I say We - refering to people who go the right way about modifying their cars Not El-Dodgy backyard Customs )
wish to modify our cars.

yes thats right everyone get their violins out...

Just because mr Richy Rich (not referring to anyone) can afford to pay for a Test track, and all the engineers under the sun, To pass his car... How does that make this system fair.
I can't afford to fork out 5 - 7 thousand dollars to hire a track and an engineers labour for a couple of days Just to get my Vehicle Engineered.

Im not going to say and "why should i have to" because i have more sense and logic than that... I understand that yes ADR's have to be conformed to. but why do I need a specific piece of paper that costs 5-7thousand.

Go through the ADR's... Body blocks aren't illegal, other wise every stock standard NH Pajero would be illegal Come stock standard on Body Blocks.

My Head lights aren't too high. Or too Low. and i have installed Extra Park Lights, and ADR Compliant Blinkers on the Bull Bar.

I Have extended the Rear Bumpstops so as not to cause undue Body Roll with the lifted suspension.

I have Retained my Sway Bar which was designed for use with the Suspension kit i use.

i will be upgrading not only my brakes, but my master cylinder too To combat the Larger Tyres.

I have extended my mudflaps so they cover the 31's.

I have Flares to Install To Cover the 31's

The Suspension kit fitted is Stronger than the original, ie: Trailing arms, Rear heim joint, Front Control arms.




I have gone over and above my way to comply with the ADR's and current NSW Road Rules, and now your telling me that all this is going to waste because i can't afford a test track.

Nuts to that. Tell that to your average joebloke driving around in his Shitbox piece of junk that has not been maintained and shouldn't pass a Pink Slip (roadworthy)

Speeding fines, records, murder it doesnt matter if I am pulled over and the car they are questioning at the time is engineered and matches the papers then I don't see why I should be sent to the pits.

They should look at the issue at the time not take the past into it has nothing to do with the car being safe or not. I understand what you are getting at but it shouldn't be an issue.

This is another thing noone probably thinks about when modifying. If you change exhausts or carbys or enraging engine performance related and try and get engineered you will need to do a IM240 emissions test. Which I garuantee you won't pass easily if at all. New falcons don't pass from the factory and the hi performance guys are struggling even with different fuels. Why should a modified car be penalised by being taken off the road. Why not go for the emissions test see what it puts out and if it's over adjust the price of people's regos depending on the output off the car. This money should go to improving emissions of other things.

Again this is making it more expensive to have a modified car but if this is what you want (driving modified cars/4x4) then I say it's a compromise. The way it's going now they are just going to make it illegal and we'll all be off the road but if they see some $$$$ then they might go for it.

It's sad to think that it is all about $$$ but at the end of the day people will be unsafe in a standard or modified sierra or a standard Holden barina or a 500hp hot hatch.

All comes down to they make money off engineering and testing and defecting the vehicles off the road win win for the government

If its old mate's buisness to keep his commodore stock then thats his Buisness not mine...


I would just like to make it clear to you, that Everyone should have the right to modify their Car's the right way, and why should we have to pay through the nose just because We ( I say We - refering to people who go the right way about modifying their cars Not El-Dodgy backyard Customs )
wish to modify our cars.

yes thats right everyone get their violins out...

Just because mr Richy Rich (not referring to anyone) can afford to pay for a Test track, and all the engineers under the sun, To pass his car... How does that make this system fair.
I can't afford to fork out 5 - 7 thousand dollars to hire a track and an engineers labour for a couple of days Just to get my Vehicle Engineered.

Im not going to say and "why should i have to" because i have more sense and logic than that... I understand that yes ADR's have to be conformed to. but why do I need a specific piece of paper that costs 5-7thousand.

Go through the ADR's... Body blocks aren't illegal, other wise every stock standard NH Pajero would be illegal Come stock standard on Body Blocks.

My Head lights aren't too high. Or too Low. and i have installed Extra Park Lights, and ADR Compliant Blinkers on the Bull Bar.

I Have extended the Rear Bumpstops so as not to cause undue Body Roll with the lifted suspension.

I have Retained my Sway Bar which was designed for use with the Suspension kit i use.

i will be upgrading not only my brakes, but my master cylinder too To combat the Larger Tyres.

I have extended my mudflaps so they cover the 31's.

I have Flares to Install To Cover the 31's

The Suspension kit fitted is Stronger than the original, ie: Trailing arms, Rear heim joint, Front Control arms.




I have gone over and above my way to comply with the ADR's and current NSW Road Rules, and now your telling me that all this is going to waste because i can't afford a test track.

Nuts to that. Tell that to your average joebloke driving around in his Shitbox piece of junk that has not been maintained and shouldn't pass a Pink Slip (roadworthy)