pics of CV angles, taken from front on.
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| Author: | swifty_ano [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Driving with a front locker. |
Ok so I am being a sook. Ever since I put my front Air Locker in. My vitara has been a CV eating machine. Seems everytime I go out, I smash a CV. My car is not biased and I have broken 2 passenger side CV shafts. Now, I was aware with a locker you are more likely to break them. However, this seems ridiculous. I am the first to admit, occasionally I do have a heavy right foot. But, I have tried a full day of crawling (no heavy accelaration) and have still at the end of the day ended up with a rattling cv. Today has astonished me. I went out 4x4ing with a mate. It was his first time out and I only intended to drive fire roads and show him around. Drove her very easily and didn't climb more then 2 little hills. they were all Very slow crawls aswell. Front locker was used once and only once. Can anyone guess what I ended up with? Thats right, 2 broken CV's. I have no clue how this happened? they aren;t sheared right off, just clunking. I am guessing I didn't research enough and I am doing something wrong. I only steer whilst driving with the locker engaged. Meaning, no dry steering. I am stumped. Could it be that I am using second hand cv's? wrong grease in the boots? Any help would be appreciated. |
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
swifty_ano wrote: Ok so I am being a sook.
Ever since I put my front Air Locker in. My vitara has been a CV eating machine. Seems everytime I go out, I smash a CV. My car is not biased and I have broken 2 passenger side CV shafts. Now, I was aware with a locker you are more likely to break them. However, this seems ridiculous. I am the first to admit, occasionally I do have a heavy right foot. But, I have tried a full day of crawling (no heavy accelaration) and have still at the end of the day ended up with a rattling cv. Today has astonished me. I went out 4x4ing with a mate. It was his first time out and I only intended to drive fire roads and show him around. Drove her very easily and didn't climb more then 2 little hills. they were all Very slow crawls aswell. Front locker was used once and only once. Can anyone guess what I ended up with? Thats right, 2 broken CV's. I have no clue how this happened? they aren;t sheared right off, just clunking. I am guessing I didn't research enough and I am doing something wrong. I only steer whilst driving with the locker engaged. Meaning, no dry steering. I am stumped. Could it be that I am using second hand cv's? wrong grease in the boots? Any help would be appreciated. Hell yes........ Get new & try again, I was putting 2nd hand in the gv & frucking em, but new lasted long time... |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
pics of CV angles, taken from front on.
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| Author: | royce [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
I broke one with no locker turning up a bank on the beach, I know a guy could pop both at will on flat ground, its all in the turning angle and throttle use vertical angle means for nothing  who breaks a CV will the wheels pointing ahead
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| Author: | Bruce [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
Not sure how to write this. I had front air locker in my GV for over 3 years and drove it rather hard and never broke one? Drove most of G/house (except big red) Remember with a locker you don't have to hit that track that you used to have a hard time driving. You should be able to drive it a lot slower. I don't know your driving habbits but just giving you how I went. Maybe you have it a full lock where the cv is at it's weakest? It's always a gamble buying 2nd hand so as butter knife said, try a new one. |
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| Author: | Scrawny [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
What's dry steering? |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
royce wrote: I broke one with no locker turning up a bank on the beach, I know a guy could pop both at will on flat ground, its all in the turning angle and throttle use
vertical angle means for nothing who breaks a CV will the wheels pointing ahead but when that CV is maxxed out at full droop, plus has a bit of lock on & someone uses the throttle a bit? at least starting with a nice & flat CV angle they're not at the end of their usable angle when you're either end of the suspension travel. |
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| Author: | royce [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
atari4x4 wrote: royce wrote: I broke one with no locker turning up a bank on the beach, I know a guy could pop both at will on flat ground, its all in the turning angle and throttle use vertical angle means for nothing who breaks a CV will the wheels pointing ahead but when that CV is maxxed out at full droop, plus has a bit of lock on & someone uses the throttle a bit? at least starting with a nice & flat CV angle they're not at the end of their usable angle when you're either end of the suspension travel. same guy that smashed em when he wanted reckons he broke less cv's when he took the drop brackets out |
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| Author: | swifty_ano [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
Scrawn wrote: What's dry steering?
steering whilst stationary. Bruce, I have been driving things much slower. Well, trying to. Seems like I am doing harder tracks now. Since the locker, I am never flat foot and never bouncing whilst on the go-go. Saying that, I don't have as much experience as you and could be doing it all wrong. Atari, my cv angles are near flat. The control arms are almost horizontal. I'd assume that cv angle is not a problem. Once again, I could be wrong. Once I have cv's in I will upload a picture, I will try a new cv. Can anyone recommend a cheap place to get them. I rang my locals and none of them could get 26 spline inners 
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| Author: | got_bar_work [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
How much extra droop do u have and have u adjusted ur steering stops To much steering lock is the biggest killer of cvs If u find ur steering lock doesn't suck and u don't have to do 3 point turns all the time then u have to much lock and that's the cause |
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| Author: | swifty_ano [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
royce wrote: I broke one with no locker turning up a bank on the beach, I know a guy could pop both at will on flat ground, its all in the turning angle and throttle use
vertical angle means for nothing who breaks a CV will the wheels pointing ahead haha thats gold. seems your luck was as bad as mine. Do cv's just wear out and become prone to breaking. Now my car idles  THANK GOD! I found myself barely on the throttle. just idling.
have you taken note of when your most likely to bust a cv?" |
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| Author: | Timbo_ [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
Steve (sikid) used to lock up his front cvs as he had too much drop. Due to over angle. But he did not use any sort of diff drop brackets, had 3 inch springs and extented front shocks. I didnt go ARB locker in the front, as i liked the though of an auto locker, as i was told they have alittle more give. Dont quote me on that, im sure someone has a better idea. |
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| Author: | tombutt [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
i dunno what you are doing wrong maybe its the second hand cv's as my cv angle is alot worse then urs and ive only done one cv in 3 years and that one cv was bouncing around in third gear low if i was you id go get new cv's and transfer case gears as soon as you can alot less loud pedal is needed then |
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| Author: | royce [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
no such thing as a 26 spline passenger inner, they are all the same bolt on type |
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| Author: | swifty_ano [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
royce wrote: no such thing as a 26 spline passenger inner, they are all the same bolt on type
Sorry, I was implying drivers side inner. |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
royce wrote: no such thing as a 26 spline passenger inner, they are all the same bolt on type
both my cv's bolt in? 
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| Author: | royce [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
atari4x4 wrote: royce wrote: no such thing as a 26 spline passenger inner, they are all the same bolt on type both my cv's bolt in? Yeah but you have one of them weird 2.0l things, the world cares less about you than coilys |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
at least we don't have to live with the stigma of being a gay coily driver. 
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
atari4x4 wrote: at least we don't have to live with the stigma of being a gay coily driver.
Nar, just a gay hairdresser.... 
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
 haven't you left yet...
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
Oh i feel the love!!!!
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| Author: | swifty_ano [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
Here's a video of where I broke a CV. I can see where it gets broken and I understand it wasn't an ideal driving style but I have friends that think no way it should have broken. Or could it have just been the right CV angle and torque? Pardon the swearing at the end NSFW http://static.photobucket.com/player.sw ... EO0033.mp4 |
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| Author: | FullyZooked [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
I'll put my 2 cents in. Don't use seconds hand Cv's. Their $50 for new outers with boots. In my experience my diff drop brackets have made a big difference to my CV eating Vitara. I have a fresh set in now and have not heard a single click in over 2 months! World record. But I am also very consious of their position throughout a hard trail and my right foot is leanient.(locked rear is lovely) Keep in mind of sharp corners and also ruts where the Front A arms are at max droop. Scary Cv angles. IMHO front airlockers should only be used when needed. Auto would be more forgiving for up front. Fully locked IFS makes me cringe. That's a $100 per use fancy locker switch ya got there
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| Author: | RIKSTR [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
To me it seems like a driving style type thing. My guess is you broke it when you turned right and popped the clutch. Maybe a set of crawler gears is what you need, it will slow you down but you will still have power. Just a guess. |
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| Author: | swifty_ano [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
RIKSTR wrote: To me it seems like a driving style type thing.
My guess is you broke it when you turned right and popped the clutch. Maybe a set of crawler gears is what you need, it will slow you down but you will still have power. Just a guess. I admit it was silly maneuver. But that was an example of me driving it hard. I have heard crawler gears only make things worse. Any input on this? |
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| Author: | got_bar_work [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
I got gears and front lock wrong and I only keep busting them when I have a wheel Jamed up against a step that the wheel wont climb I don't have problems any other time If I stop trying to drive steps taller then the 31 I should be right |
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| Author: | ZookFan [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
Sounds like a run of bad luck mate
I broke 3 cv's in my 86 IFS 4runner... one was on little red at half throttle at 2500 revs??
Had enough sold it.. now live axle! 
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| Author: | Bugsta [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
Since I put the cromos in, I've broken only 1, and that was just due to dropping the clutch whilst on the chassis at Ripley, and not going anywhere. I have given mine hell. Also not broken any hub bolts since I upgraded the spacers either. |
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| Author: | swifty_ano [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
Bugsta wrote: Since I put the cromos in, I've broken only 1, and that was just due to dropping the clutch whilst on the chassis at Ripley, and not going anywhere. I have given mine hell. Also not broken any hub bolts since I upgraded the spacers either.
Pity they don't make chromo's for vits
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| Author: | Bugsta [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Driving with a front locker. |
Aww really? Thats a shame. Perhaps is because hair dressers rarely go off road. |
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