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Author:  Dr_Snapid [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:38 am ]
Post subject:  Carrying extra fuel
Does anyone have any good ideas for extending fuel range in a jimny? Any neat ideas for how to carry extra fuel? I like the idea suzkboy has viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17271&start=90
but there are legality questions about the jerry can placement.

Anyone done anything else?
Author:  joel [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carrying extra fuel
im exlporing a custom long range tank, but remember they have to be certified now.
also im trying to converse with "long ranger" mob to get the dimensions of the sierra long range tank, to see if it is easily possible to just modify the stock jimny mounts to accomadate the tank.
until than, all you can do is carry the fuel on your roof, i dont like that, or gerries in the cab, but i dont like that for the smell.
Author:  BlueSuzy [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:27 pm ]
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One way is to make a rear bar to carry a jerry and your spare. Door hinges do wear out with the tyre.

Another option is a longrange/second tank, The Jimny tank is totally different to sierra.

There are options for a second tank where your rear muffler sits.

There is another thread on this somewhere..
Author:  joel [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:28 pm ]
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BlueSuzy wrote:
Jimny tank is totally different to sierra.

There are options for a second tank where your rear muffler sits.

There is another thread on this somewhere..

post a limk, i cant find it either.
Author:  zooky08 [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:31 pm ]
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Like bluesuzy said. Tank is completely different. The rear tailshaft is the problem. Tank will have to be fabricated to alow clearance for the tailshaft when suspension is articulating.
Author:  monley [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:33 pm ]
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joel wrote:
BlueSuzy wrote:
Jimny tank is totally different to sierra.

There are options for a second tank where your rear muffler sits.

There is another thread on this somewhere..

post a limk, i cant find it either.



viewtopic.php?f=5&t=23649&hilit=Jimny+long+range+tank \


There is a 3/4 finished long range tank sitting in out back 4x4 accessories work shop :lol:
Author:  joel [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carrying extra fuel
monley wrote:
joel wrote:
BlueSuzy wrote:
Jimny tank is totally different to sierra.

There are options for a second tank where your rear muffler sits.

There is another thread on this somewhere..

post a limk, i cant find it either.



viewtopic.php?f=5&t=23649&hilit=Jimny+long+range+tank \


There is a 3/4 finished long range tank sitting in out back 4x4 accessories work shop :lol:

they have any plans to finish it?
Author:  BlueSuzy [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:41 pm ]
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viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16610&p=267167&hilit=tank#p267167

but no pics or answer to if its been done

If it were me, Id get a tank made to fill the original tank. Pissorf that rear muffler and put it up there.
Author:  BlueSuzy [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:27 pm ]
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wtf, may as well merge these 2 tank threads. Its all talk no action

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16610
Author:  Dr_Snapid [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carrying extra fuel
Thanks for those thread links guys. I am hatching a plan here.. will share very soon when I have finished reading up
Author:  Dr_Snapid [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:25 pm ]
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OK so I hope this makes sense.

On the outside of the chassis rail, between the chassis and the door sill, there seems to be a space thats about the size of a jerry can, maybe a touch smaller. Definately there on the passenger side and I assume drivers is the same (its dark and raining like a bastard here right now so I cant check). The could certainly house some sort of tank, as for legality of a fuel tank here, i have no idea. My idea is that a tank could be integrated into a set of sliders/sidesteps so the tank and sidestep are effectively one structural piece. You would then have 2 extra tanks. Perhaps they could be fuel tanks. Maybe up to 15 or 20 litres per side.

gman on this forum explained in one of those other threads linked above about how the lngranger tanks on cruisers used the suction from the emptying main tang to daw the fuel from the secondary. I see no reason why this could not also work for 3 tanks (in series).

So now my crazy idea is on the table...


EDIT:typos
Author:  monley [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carrying extra fuel
For the effort/cost to get a long range tank into a jimny, i would just carry a jerry can IMO.
Author:  Dr_Snapid [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:45 pm ]
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Where to carry a jerry though monley. I'm just as interested in ideas for places to carry a jerry, that isnt in the cabin, or on the roof (where I have to carry now).

I know the truth is likely to be 'there is nowhere else' but I'm hoping some clever nut has come up with a way that doesnt cost the earth.
Author:  monley [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:49 pm ]
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Do you normally have a passenger with you when you go on long distance trips?I normally chuck the jerry on the passenger side foot well on longer trips if i'm by my self.....just a thought.
Author:  Dr_Snapid [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:31 pm ]
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Usually alone. Usually I dont take the Jerry though, I just stop for fuel. But it does affect my chosen routes and sometimes means going out of my way.

For example. A convenient jerry might mean I can drive to Rover park from Grafton (via baryulgi which at 155km is more direct but no fuel stops), spend a day or 2 wheeling and camping, and back home without needing fuel. Via casino is 200km each way although I can get fuel 24/7 in casino 100kms from home so fuel isnt a problem if I go that way and fuel up in casino on the way and on the way home as well. But it is further and I would like to try some camping sites along the baryulgil route.

So you see this is one example of why I want longer range. If I have to, yes a jerry inside or on the roof is what I would currently do, but I would prefer another solution if there is one. I sleep in the jimny so fuel smell is a big problem if a jerry has been carried around inside all day
Author:  squibby [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:39 pm ]
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I like this thread. The jimny tank is a bit too small, especially with the M18 engine and extra weight on or in a lot of our modified jimnies.

Unless the second tank can be mounted in a spare cavity under the car, there's no point in deviating from Jerry cans. So far all the Jimny aux tanks I've seen on ebay and the like have always been ones that use up floor space inside the car - so whats the point in these? Might as well just put a jerry can inside.
Author:  Fatzook [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:46 pm ]
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Under the sill area is not a good solution. Sticks, rocks and debris are easily routed to this area via the tyres. This area is best saved for water tanks if the need shall arise.

Where the muffler is is ok, but its a shitty job to re-direct the exhaust, it will most likely be louder due to the required reduction in muffler size, and the floor pan is quite an irregular shape, so your efforts will net a rather small gain in capacity. Add to that the complications of transfer pumps etc, and the new need for a rear tank guard, and you've probably just spend $2K for 25-30L extra fuel......MADNESS!!

IMO the ONLY practicle way to carry more fuel on the jimny, other than for Jerry cans, is a long range tank to replace the factory tank. All other options are too complicated, and compromise other areas of the vehicle.
Author:  Dr_Snapid [ Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:33 am ]
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Oh well. Unless some clever zooker comes up with a better way it's the roof rack for now I guess. Fuel weighs about 0.7kg per itre so thats about 20kg on the roof for a 25l plastic jerry. Thats not too bad I suppose, at least the jimny rack isnt like a lifted patrol where you need a ladder to get stuff down. I dont like the idea of a plastic jerry out in the sun. I usually find they expand in the heat and the plastic gets warped. I might try and figure out a way to prevent this with some sort of cover. I noticed you can buy coreflute at bunnings now, I might cut a piece and fold into a little box that can sit over the top of the jerry before I tie it down and see if it helps.
Author:  Scales [ Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:11 am ]
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if you consider making a fuel tank to replace original, id replace the whole fuel pump assy also and fit a better fuel filter solution.... keen readers will remember my grief last year in that regard.
Author:  laurie [ Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:14 am ]
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i never noticed a fuel smell from my plastic jerry cans carried in the cab except briefly after filling or emptying.
no matter what the temp or road conditions. and will have no problem carrying it there again.
you could always put it outside when you sleep.
Author:  Dr_Snapid [ Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:15 pm ]
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Well it's worth a try, nothing else but rubbish in the passenger footwell...
Author:  britvit [ Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:30 pm ]
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I worked for a place that built special vehicles for a while, one of the engineers did some calculations on carrying roof loads on Land Rovers, a 50KG load on the roof had approximately the same effect on the vehicle handling as a 100KG load did sitting on the floor.
Author:  Dr_Snapid [ Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:11 pm ]
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Thx britvit that's really useful info - not just for fuel. I would say 50kg is the most I would ever want on my roof, including my cage which I suspect weighs damn near 15kg on it's own. So 35kg payload. This is precisely why I had wanted a better solution. I want to only put lightweight stuff up there and a 20L jerry doesnt really fit the description.

My other car, a Hyundai Terracan is much larger, heavier, and more powerful, with better brakes, better handling, (i'm trying not to break into song) and Hyundai state clearly in the manual and on a sticker on the racks themselves not to put more than 37kg up there (i think its 37).
Author:  Mike57 [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:08 pm ]
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I can carry up to 4 Jerry cans next to my rear drawer. I usually carry 2 x 20L fuel and 1 x 20 l water. They are tied down and also behind the cargo barrier. My worry is not smelling fuel but Jerry cans flying around the car in a crash and potentially having leaking fuel inside a rolled over vehicle.

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Weight is more of a problem than space I find. I am close to my GVM with 3 x 20L cans plus all the camping equipment and two people in the car. If I had a long range tank it might make it safer and would free up space but I could not fill up that space anyway as I would be overweight if I did. In general I find the Jimny is weight constrained and not space constrained.

I keep the heavy items down low and the swag and any other light stuff goes on the roof. I use metal Jerry cans and I have never been able to smell any fuel. I don't like the plastc fuel cans which in my experience do give off fumes as they get old (I know some people find they are OK so maybe my experience is dated). The cans I use and the ones that comply with the Australian standards and I also replace the rubber seals after a few years.

I have given a lot of thought to an extended range tank and concluded that for the 15 to 20 litres extra you were going to get I was not prepared to pay the $1,200 to $1,500 that it was going to cost and that is without rerouting the exhaust with all the problems that brings with it.

I put in the cargo barrier and rear drawer and tie down points for less than $600 I recall and the Jerry cans were about $49 each. That was a better use of my cash, well in my opinion anyway.

Just thought I would throw this into the thinking.
Author:  johnmath [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:38 pm ]
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Last time I did the Oodnadatta track with 2 x jerrys on the roof racks and water too, I broke the gutters where the Rhino racks mounted on my Sierra (the track was washed out rather badly). So I wouldn't recommend too much weight up top + it doesn't help handling in cross winds etc. Only reason I put fuel up there was I didn't want to smell it, but now I think it's more important to keep weight as low as possible.
Author:  Gwagensteve [ Tue May 01, 2012 5:44 pm ]
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Mike57 wrote:

Weight is more of a problem than space I find. I am close to my GVM with 3 x 20L cans plus all the camping equipment and two people in the car. If I had a long range tank it might make it safer and would free up space but I could not fill up that space anyway as I would be overweight if I did. In general I find the Jimny is weight constrained and not space constrained.

I keep the heavy items down low and the swag and any other light stuff goes on the roof. I use metal Jerry cans and I have never been able to smell any fuel. I don't like the plastc fuel cans which in my experience do give off fumes as they get old (I know some people find they are OK so maybe my experience is dated). The cans I use and the ones that comply with the Australian standards and I also replace the rubber seals after a few years.

I have given a lot of thought to an extended range tank and concluded that for the 15 to 20 litres extra you were going to get I was not prepared to pay the $1,200 to $1,500 that it was going to cost and that is without rerouting the exhaust with all the problems that brings with it.

I put in the cargo barrier and rear drawer and tie down points for less than $600 I recall and the Jerry cans were about $49 each. That was a better use of my cash, well in my opinion anyway.

Just thought I would throw this into the thinking.


So much truth here.

I have some German Army Surplus jerry cans and they are spectacularly good quality.

long range tanks are a very poor return for the investment.

Steve.
Author:  shep [ Tue May 01, 2012 5:54 pm ]
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maybe a poor investment for someone living in the most populated area of oz but the only thing that i like about my landcruser is the 160ltr
fuel capacity.
i still have to carry extra fuel on some of the trips i do.

a UHF now that is a poor investment :wink:
Author:  Gwagensteve [ Tue May 01, 2012 6:25 pm ]
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That's true, but at the risk of infuriating Joel even more, isn't that just more evidence that a Jimny is a poor candidate for your terrain? As has been discussed. you're only likely to get another 20l or so with a $1500 tank for a Jimny, and surely that's not enough to warrant such a small increase in range?

I agree that UHF's are a poor investment. Convoy procedure makes CB's irrelevant.

Steve.
Author:  shep [ Tue May 01, 2012 6:33 pm ]
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haha they are pointless because there is never anyone close enough to receive.

a jimny certainly wouldn't be my choice of car however there does seem to be a crapload of them driving around the topend so
maybe the owners are onto something :?
Author:  joel [ Tue May 01, 2012 6:55 pm ]
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Gwagensteve wrote:
That's true, but at the risk of infuriating Joel even more, isn't that just more evidence that a Jimny is a poor candidate for your terrain? As has been discussed. you're only likely to get another 20l or so with a $1500 tank for a Jimny, and surely that's not enough to warrant such a small increase in range?

I agree that UHF's are a poor investment. Convoy procedure makes CB's irrelevant.

Steve.

loaded up with boat and gear get 9 litres a hundred in the jimny, so an increase of 15 litres in the tank means 1 less gerry in the back, meaning i have more room for gear etc.
a jimny is ideal in most ways, a much better option than a loud, harsh uncomfortable slow sierra over a long distance.
a couple guys from the club have clocked up over 38 000km in 5 months in a white lwb, so i would put a jimny down as a more economical and capable and definetly more comfortable for the environment up her, i would consider myself and the club an authority on the matter from my experience in my opinion :peaceout:

its always a trade off up here, ie. heavy cruiser, in wet season, heavy boggings, higher running cost etc, the benifit is higher tow/load rating and room etc.
i had a good 6 months to decide on a vehicle to replace my lwb as well.
hiluxes/landcruiser and jeeps were high on the list, but the cost involved put me off, that and they had to many cons compared to the pros.
the only thing i am not happy with the jimny is the tow rating and load carrying. and the fuel capacity.
everything else is a big tick, including the driver and passenger airbags, a must have up here IMO, especially as i do a lot of traveling and atleast once a year i go from here to brissy and back, a large animal strike is inevitable.
IMO jimny FTW
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