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Toomanycars
Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:47 pm Posts: 324 Location: Under a car in Brisbane scratching my head
Vehicle: Sierra g16 efi..and Sierra GTi
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:32 pm |
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Our new gti engine is missing the rotor out of the dizzy.. Is there more than one rotor to choose from , are there different dizzys and different gti engines ??? I know nothing about the engine we have except it has low ks and is in good condition but I don't know year etc . Can someone please advise . I can give engine # if that would help... The rockers are red ...LOL...that probably doesn't help....
Also what fuel pump would people suggest...
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 12756 Location: Melbourne
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:45 pm |
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Can’t help with rotor. Pump- vitara in tank.
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MrRocky
Joined: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 4723 Location: perth
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:19 pm |
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Can use this for a fuel pump but make sure its genuine. Ashdowns electrical stock them in perth for about $250
Pierburg fuel pump. 7.21287.53.0
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Toomanycars
Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:47 pm Posts: 324 Location: Under a car in Brisbane scratching my head
Vehicle: Sierra g16 efi..and Sierra GTi
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:52 pm |
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So the vitara... Is that pump AND the tank.. We had to get a different tank when we converted the other to 1600cc ..
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MrRocky
Joined: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 4723 Location: perth
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:11 am |
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You use the coily tank with the vit pump, the baleno pump also works but requires a hose extension (fyi baleno pump is identical to jimny). The pierberg pump i suggested works on the standard tank (make sure you clean it out first) and goes in place where your fuel filter goes and requires no other mods besides hose size adaptor. Its pretty much the only self priming pump on the market. Dont forget to upgrade all the hose to efi rated hose. Also i use a ryco z200 commo efi filter in the engine bay between the chassis and fuel rail.
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greavesyzook
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:22 pm Posts: 359 Location: Victoria "south Gippsland"
Vehicle: 1992 suzuki sierra hardtop
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:50 am |
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You need a Mazda 323 turbo rotor button I just use an external vl efi pump on my gti swaps
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greavesyzook
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:22 pm Posts: 359 Location: Victoria "south Gippsland"
Vehicle: 1992 suzuki sierra hardtop
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:56 am |
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Also there are 3 different GTi engines MK1 MK2 MK3. MK1 is carby which you obviously don't have and mk2 and 3 are pretty much the exact same you need the right angle dizzy cap to be able to fit the leads on. You'll still have to hit back the fire wall a bit to get it to work and if you have to take the whole dizzy out youll need to pull the rocker cover off..
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 12756 Location: Melbourne
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:22 am |
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Mk1 GTi is most definitely NOT carby. That would make it a swift GTc not a GTi for injection.
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MrRocky
Joined: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 4723 Location: perth
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:56 am |
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Vl pumps are garbage, noisy, not self priming by design and generally fail quickly. To even have half a chance at longevity you need a facet lift pump feeding a surge/swirl tank then feeding the vl pump. Its probably the least desireable and reliable setup to use on an efi swap into a zook
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greavesyzook
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:22 pm Posts: 359 Location: Victoria "south Gippsland"
Vehicle: 1992 suzuki sierra hardtop
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:02 am |
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MrRocky
Joined: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 4723 Location: perth
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:15 am |
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I suppose its relevant to how many kms you do
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greavesyzook
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:22 pm Posts: 359 Location: Victoria "south Gippsland"
Vehicle: 1992 suzuki sierra hardtop
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:39 am |
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I just think that if an in tank pump failed iv got to take the tank out to fix it and I don't wanna do that. I Carry a spare pump with me but have never needed to use it
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MrRocky
Joined: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 4723 Location: perth
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:13 am |
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Unless you are doing over 250,000kms theres little chance of a intank pump failing providing you dont grab one from a wreck with 250,000kms on it lol. Issue is that 99.9% of pumps require a constant supply of fuel from a swirl pot or gravity type arrangement they are not designed to suck or have to pull the fuel up out of the tank. Only takes 30secs of running dry and most efi pumps will die.
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Toomanycars
Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:47 pm Posts: 324 Location: Under a car in Brisbane scratching my head
Vehicle: Sierra g16 efi..and Sierra GTi
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:44 pm |
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The part number for the 87-89 Mazda 323 TURBO 1600 is GM564....$10.50 at Bursons... The part number for a Suzuki swift MK 2 is GD 696 .....$14.50...Why should I not buy the Suzuki one....apart from being a couple of dollars dearer...I already have the sideways dizzy cap..
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greavesyzook
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:22 pm Posts: 359 Location: Victoria "south Gippsland"
Vehicle: 1992 suzuki sierra hardtop
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:49 pm |
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Because it doesn't fit once the cap is on
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Toomanycars
Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:47 pm Posts: 324 Location: Under a car in Brisbane scratching my head
Vehicle: Sierra g16 efi..and Sierra GTi
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:01 pm |
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aaha... So the Mazda one is the only one that fits the 90degree cap... Now I understand.. Thanks for the clarification.. Bursons have 2 of them in stock.. Cheers..
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greavesyzook
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:22 pm Posts: 359 Location: Victoria "south Gippsland"
Vehicle: 1992 suzuki sierra hardtop
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:17 pm |
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Yes that's correct. I would buy both just incase you have trouble fitting the first one. Before I forget you need the inside of the swift button that goes inside the Mazda one. My first attempt took me a few goes but I've pretty much perfected it now
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Toomanycars
Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:47 pm Posts: 324 Location: Under a car in Brisbane scratching my head
Vehicle: Sierra g16 efi..and Sierra GTi
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:52 pm |
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aahhh.. Now i am back to being confused... I have NO button rotor at all so i need to buy a swift one, take it apart and use some part of it inside the Mazda turbo rotor....It there any photos of this....
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greavesyzook
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:22 pm Posts: 359 Location: Victoria "south Gippsland"
Vehicle: 1992 suzuki sierra hardtop
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:23 pm |
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greavesyzook
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:22 pm Posts: 359 Location: Victoria "south Gippsland"
Vehicle: 1992 suzuki sierra hardtop
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:24 pm |
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That's the only advice I can find that's Any good I'd post some pics but i still haven't worked out how to lol
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Toomanycars
Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:47 pm Posts: 324 Location: Under a car in Brisbane scratching my head
Vehicle: Sierra g16 efi..and Sierra GTi
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:32 pm |
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That's a great link.. Cheers..
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Toomanycars
Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:47 pm Posts: 324 Location: Under a car in Brisbane scratching my head
Vehicle: Sierra g16 efi..and Sierra GTi
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:06 pm |
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Well after unwrapping the engine and having a look at the dizzy...It is an Hitachi and looks nothing like the one in the link above.. Sorry about the pour image , I smashed my sony screen and am using my old htc while awaiting parts..
The guy who sold us the engine has sent a text with a part number of JR400
So I am thinking maybe this JR400 rotor goes straight on without the need to buy 2 and make one out of them. This guy is the person who sold us the motor, the 90 degree cap , sideway water pipe and the rest of the stuff for a gti conversion. he just forgot to check that there was a rotor inside the cap....
I took out the photos as they were way too big....will add later when resized..
Last edited by Toomanycars on Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:21 am, edited 1 time in total.
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greavesyzook
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:22 pm Posts: 359 Location: Victoria "south Gippsland"
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:16 pm |
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Could be Maby I'm yet to find one that fits with the cap so let me know how you go
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Toomanycars
Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:47 pm Posts: 324 Location: Under a car in Brisbane scratching my head
Vehicle: Sierra g16 efi..and Sierra GTi
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:20 am |
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This is a leafy so do I still use a vitara pump in the leafy tank ???? I think we have a spare coily tank from when we put the 1600 into the other zuk (coily) ..If it has to be coily tank to get the vitara pump to fit...will the coily tank fit in the leafy.. Also.. What year/model vitara pump are we talking about...
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MrRocky
Joined: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 4723 Location: perth
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:04 pm |
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Yes coily tank fits and is needed. Pump assembly is from 16v 1.6 efi vit or baleno (requires pickup hose extension)
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:48 pm |
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I machined the part that fits in the mazda rotor button to fit on the gti shaft.
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Toomanycars
Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:47 pm Posts: 324 Location: Under a car in Brisbane scratching my head
Vehicle: Sierra g16 efi..and Sierra GTi
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:30 pm |
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I looked at the buttons at Bursons today and rather than getting the 2 mentioned above and making one out of them I have opted to buy the one that is perfect.. I believe the part number is JR400 and I ordered it from Repco today , pick up tomorrow. I know why it is not a popular option.....It is $39 instead of $10.50 + $14 for the 2 mentioned previously but I figure having the right one without having to modify 2 is a better way to go. I have found a 16v 1600 Vit pump and pickup at the wreckers so we will get both those tomorrow. Engine is out so off with the sump and oil pickup tomorrow and swap those , strip the other bits off the engine to put on Gumtree.. eg..fully recondition head, dizzy etc then donate the block to a friend..
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MrRocky
Joined: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 4723 Location: perth
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:07 pm |
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Depending on what wreckers charge consider the pump i mentioned earlier as being a new part that lets you keep the leafy tank in. Means you can sell the coily tank for $100+ Ive found suzuki fuel pumps that have sat dry in the tank unused for some time can have a very short life once being revived into action.
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bluezooking
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Joined: Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:41 pm Posts: 2
Vehicle: 1995 sj70
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:02 pm |
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how'd you go with that rotor button? did it fit with no modification?
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bluezooking
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Joined: Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:41 pm Posts: 2
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:04 pm |
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how'd you go with that rotor button? did it fit with no modification?
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