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| Author: | foonji [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Valve Lash |
Any recommended settings that you have found to be better with a motor of around 150K on it before i go with what the Service Manual says? |
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| Author: | 89_tintop [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
Go with the service manual.. I go about halfway between what they reccomend. Ie they recomend .26 to .28 then I would go around .27 I went .27mm for exhaust and .25mm for inlet |
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| Author: | foonji [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
Thanks tintop. I just took off the ig timing check window (which disintegrated) after several turns, then check with a light and wiping with a rag. It seems that there is no markings 
what to do now? I the manual says to line it all up with setting the valves, do i realy need to line it up? or can i just set them? |
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| Author: | Ben_Sierra [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
If you just wanna look for TDC, there is a mark on the crankshaft pully, and timing marks on the timing case you can line it up there... |
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| Author: | foonji [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
ok i thought that may be the same... still not having any joy though 
spark plug smells of fuel... nothing coming out with spark plug removed... there is spark... |
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| Author: | 89_tintop [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
You will need to line then up.. But you can do it by taking the rocker cover off and turning the crank till the number one valves are closed an there is free play between the rocker and valve end.. Then look for a mark around there. Or if you still have no luck remove as many timing Cher bolts as possible and leve te cover forward and line the cam timing marks up. You should be able to see them easy. |
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| Author: | 89_tintop [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
Also the clearances I gave before were for a hot engine not cold |
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| Author: | foonji [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
I will give that a go and see what happens. |
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| Author: | foonji [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
I'm not having much luck, I think i'm completely lost and getting annoyed at it and not thinking straight... plus just broke the rocker gasket.. |
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| Author: | Cozook [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
You can do it Foonji! |
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| Author: | Damo [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
foonji wrote: I'm not having much luck, I think i'm completely lost and getting annoyed at it and not thinking straight... plus just broke the rocker gasket..
Where in Bris are you? Someone close might be able to help out. |
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| Author: | royce [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
you need to turn the engine over to set all of them, as long as you have greater observation skills than a fish youll figure when each valve is completely closed and you can check the clearance |
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| Author: | 89_tintop [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
have you lined up the camsprocket timing marks?? you cant miss that mark?? if you are looking at the timing mark through the peehole in the gearbox. there are a bunch of lines that you are looking for. where are you located at? you only need to turn it over once.. once the engine is on TDC. you do cyl 1 - both valves cyl 2 - inlet cyl 3 - exhaust turn crank over 1 full revolution then do cyl 4 - both valves cyl 2 - exhaust cyl 3 - inlet |
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| Author: | foonji [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
to the best of my knowledge this is what I did. I undid all the adjusting screws, lined up the cam and crank cogs to the respective markings above them. put the belt on, tensioned. Then went and made the valve settings and locked them off. when looking thru the peehole, I've spun it around many times to find only one lonely mark, a "|" which appears to line up with the indent when the cam/crank cogs are putting at their marks. The car is located in Ipswich at the moment. I'm not going to look at it again until tomorrow once my head clears and will try again from scratch. Thanks for the extra info Tintop, i Think something may of gone wrong while setting the valves. I do wear coke bottles for glasses 
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| Author: | foonji [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
Just went through it from scratch and no luck still. It turns, the engine gives a little shake, can hear puffing/compression? Its gotta be the ig timing out then? could of the previous owners/mechanic done a dodgy somehow so the actual marks when lined up arn't lined up properly (if you get what I mean) could the new alt be playing a part in this? |
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| Author: | foonji [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
Some pics... |
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| Author: | 89_tintop [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
Looks like a tooth or two ou onthe dizzy if that is on TDC.. Should be a little more clock wise.. |
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| Author: | royce [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
in your second pic here, see how there are 2 grooves the pin in the cam can sit in on the pulley? is it in the bottom one or the one off to 11 oclock? |
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| Author: | foonji [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
Thats on TDC. the mark on the plate behind the cam pulley isn't dead 12 o'clock. Royce, The pin is sitting in the one off to 11 o'clock. Should it be in the other one? |
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| Author: | royce [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
yeah mate needs to be in the one pointing down, I dont know why it has 2 spots to confirm are both valves on cylinder 1 closed? (take a pic of the cam position on cyl 1 if it helps) |
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| Author: | foonji [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
Ok, I just swapped it around to the other notch and gave it a go and it runs as if nothing was wrong. However, when at TDC (according to marks) the button is pointing at No.4 lead. Let it run for ~60sec, but the new belt also gave a almighty sqeak that increased with revs and the ef alt pulley heated up to hot to touch. Is that normal? was outputting around 13.5v at idle. at least its going again.. |
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| Author: | Ben_Sierra [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
When No 1 is at TDC, so is No 4. One is on the compression stroke and the other is on the exhaust stroke. Turn the crank one complete turn and you'll find that the dizzy is pointing to 1. |
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| Author: | foonji [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
Ben_Sierra wrote: When No 1 is at TDC, so is No 4.
One is on the compression stroke and the other is on the exhaust stroke. Turn the crank one complete turn and you'll find that the dizzy is pointing to 1. ok kewl 
what about the hot pulley and squelch? is that normal for a new belt? never had it happen before. |
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| Author: | 89_tintop [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
foonji wrote: ok kewl
what about the hot pulley and squelch? is that normal for a new belt? never had it happen before. something doesnt sound right there. is the alternator turning? sound like it may be siezed. |
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| Author: | foonji [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
Was turning and it turned free by hand and didn't have any play. Multimeter was reading 13.5v (from 12.3v before starting) while running for the short time.. I will chuck some wd40 in there tomorrow - that may give me an idea if its coming from the alt. Thanks for the help |
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| Author: | royce [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
ive heard of this before, 110amp going flat knackers through a slipping v belt heats the pulley up, get it tighter and wait for the battery to charge ans it will be ok |
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| Author: | foonji [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
Sounds plausible. Battery hasn't had any charge in 2-3 weeks and over the past few days has been used a heap while trying to start the bastard. It's a 3pk belt now though. I'll try levering it a bit tighter and give it a go. |
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| Author: | royce [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
I should of paid more attention, whats that water pump pulley off? |
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| Author: | foonji [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
royce wrote: I should of paid more attention, whats that water pump pulley off?
Swift Gti |
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| Author: | foonji [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Valve Lash |
Tightened, and not squeaky! Off to do some work now... Thanks for the help! |
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