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Author:  Tas609 [ Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:03 pm ]
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I've been a bit busy with my newly purchased Jimny (2002),
The big tires have been so handy here, lots of dirt tracks and we've had so much rain
so Glad it came with a Roo bar as I've already hit one at 100kph
Author:  Joel Towart [ Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:14 am ]
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love the storage spot mate. I might put a similar think in mine but with just 20L and a duel batt
Author:  reeceh [ Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:31 pm ]
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Fuel and dual battery don't go well together. In a battery pack/case would be fine I guess! I know it's a Suzuki and limited space but I really hate the idea of flammable liquids in the cabin! I'd me mounting a fire extinguisher in a readily available position.
Author:  Richard [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:06 am ]
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There is NO PLACE I would put petrol inside a vehicle (diesel maybe OK). I lay mine flat on the roof rack. The storage area looks great, I am revamping mine at the moment and like your ideas, except for the fuel.
Author:  laurie [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:55 pm ]
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nice and neat set up .
i set mine up to carry 80l and i am taking 40l on my next trip after two or three minutes there is no smell in the car at all even with a closed car on a hot day. given the size of our cars inside is the most practical location.
as long as your cans are well secured, good condition and sealed well. i see no problem.
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Author:  pezz [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:11 pm ]
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i see a major problem....
your in a crash, the fuel can gets split open,
you get covered in fuel,
i'll leave the next bit to your imagination

on a side note.... is that a 12volt cigarette lighter mounted next to your fuel can laurie?

for me, fuel go's on the outside of the car
Author:  missmyljdaze [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:13 pm ]
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laurie wrote:
nice and neat set up .
i set mine up to carry 80l and i am taking 40l on my next trip after two or three minutes there is no smell in the car at all even with a closed car on a hot day............. i see no problem.


You say there is no problem, yet at the same time you mention the smell of fuel inside your vehicle 8O
All I see is a mobile molotov cocktail.

There is also an exposed electrical outlet next to the plastic fuel can, during summer [or anytime really] petrol expands, cans can- and will leak, fumes collect in a closed vehicle.

You open the door- and the interior light switch sets the whole lot off.

If [god forbid] you have an accident- or rollover, you could well be stuck in the cabin with ruptured fuel cans and live wiring, a sure way to mess up your plans.

Weight for weight, petrol has something like 7 to 9 times more explosive content than good old gelignite.

How much petrol did you say you were carrying inside? [I feel much safer driving with 500kg of explosives in the ute, or 10+ tonnes in the truck, than I would with jerrycans inside the cab of a vehicle]

Fuel cans belong either in the trailer, or on external racks.
Same goes for gas bottles.

I'm not being old and grumpy or trying to piss anyone off, for once
your storage looks great [for water drums- except they can turn into 10 or 20kg projectiles during an accident if not secured well enough]
just pointing out what many people dont realise when it comes to transporting dangerous goods.

Ignorance can kill.

stephen
Author:  joel [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:55 pm ]
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while i will be reserved in my opinion on this,
in the eyes of the law, its acceptable to carry fuel in the vehicle, as long as its in a approved container and secured.
as far as projectiles. how many of you roll around with coins in the ash tray, or pens, etc etc.
the go like bullets in an accident.
Author:  missmyljdaze [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:26 pm ]
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Not disagreeing with you Joel,
But- even if its not against the law- it still goes against common sense.

As for coins/ pens etc being loose inside a vehicle during an accident- I am more worried about the inertia of a 10 to 20kg drum hurtling around.

Many years ago, I was in a rollover, 80 k's on a gravel road.
My toolbox [15kg-ish]bounced around as the wagon cartwheeled, hitting the back of the drivers seat hard enough to break the rear mountings and then wedging itself under the seat- with me pinned against the collapsed steering wheel and being choked by the seatbelt.

If the toolbox had hit a few inches higher it would have been my neck that broke instead of the seat.

Hindsight being with 20/20 vision, toolbox should have been either in the trailer or strapped in place.

stephen
Author:  laurie [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:48 pm ]
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pezz wrote:
i see a major problem....
your in a crash, the fuel can gets split open,
you get covered in fuel,
i'll leave the next bit to your imagination

on a side note.... is that a 12volt cigarette lighter mounted next to your fuel can laurie?

for me, fuel go's on the outside of the car



yes that is a power outlet but it is now mounted up near the roof.
the cans will be strapped down into a purpose built tray so they can not move so if anything comes into my car with enough force to puncture them
i don't think that spilt fuel would be bothering me greatly. ( i have an extinguisher at hand all the time)
if i had two cans outside the car it would mean giving them less protection and altering my cog (if on the roof ) in a bad way plus extra fab work and possible legality issues.
Author:  pezz [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:57 pm ]
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each to their own.... i'd rather not do it...




have you ever seen a motor bike t bone a car? that would destroy your fuel cans but leave you ok to be fired up...


ever tried using a fire extinguisher when your unconscious ?
Author:  laurie [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:37 pm ]
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missmyljdaze wrote:
laurie wrote:
nice and neat set up .
i set mine up to carry 80l and i am taking 40l on my next trip after two or three minutes there is no smell in the car at all even with a closed car on a hot day............. i see no problem.


You say there is no problem, yet at the same time you mention the smell of fuel inside your vehicle 8O
All I see is a mobile molotov cocktail.

There is also an exposed electrical outlet next to the plastic fuel can, during summer [or anytime really] petrol expands, cans can- and will leak, fumes collect in a closed vehicle.

You open the door- and the interior light switch sets the whole lot off.

If [god forbid] you have an accident- or rollover, you could well be stuck in the cabin with ruptured fuel cans and live wiring, a sure way to mess up your plans.

Weight for weight, petrol has something like 7 to 9 times more explosive content than good old gelignite.

How much petrol did you say you were carrying inside? [I feel much safer driving with 500kg of explosives in the ute, or 10+ tonnes in the truck, than I would with jerrycans inside the cab of a vehicle]

Fuel cans belong either in the trailer, or on external racks.



Same goes for gas bottles.

I'm not being old and grumpy or trying to piss anyone off, for once
your storage looks great [for water drums- except they can turn into 10 or 20kg projectiles during an accident if not secured well enough]
just pointing out what many people dont realise when it comes to transporting dangerous goods.

Ignorance can kill.

stephen



yes when you fill or empty these cans there is a fuel smell (no doubt from spillage) but once that evaporates there is no smell
fark i am glad i did not mention the half dozen cans of gas in my camping box. with a couple of boxes of matches.
everything is a compromise. i think that if my cans of gas were on the roof they would get too hot so in my opinion they are safer in a box in the car.
and as i have managed to do over 10,000 klm with this brand of fuel cans in the car without fuel fumes being noticeable except directly after filling or emptying.
the fuel cans are tied down with a ratchet strap as is my fridge and my camping boxes i think a major accident is the only thing that will make my fuel leak apart from human error.
as i will not go a long way from home without spare fuel i think i have come to a good compromise between safety, space and weight (best practice leave at home for all three points.)
oh and not to worry my interior light is on a separate switch so my nose would give me first warning.

but i have no problem with you or anyone else pointing out any safety issues

and yes pezz i have seen that (i was on the bike) thank god i was not going too quick.
Author:  pezz [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:45 pm ]
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me too buddy...
Author:  Samwich [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:18 pm ]
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Dad was in hospital with a guy that had a rollover,
The Strap on the 20L fuel can broke that was secured in the back of the car behind the cargo barrier. Fuel can burst, 6 months is hospital and third degree burns to 70% of his body..

I just wouldnt take the risk..

So i lie it flat on the roof racks :)
Author:  rabbitguts [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:03 am ]
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yep, i work in a major Burns ICU, anything with petrol is nasty. I am scared of petrol, that stuff blows like crazy.
Author:  shep [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:34 am ]
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I have been to heaps of accidents as a first responder and the actual rollover or tree impact does the damage. I haven't seen anything that would stop me carrying fuel in a car.
Author:  McBane [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:10 am ]
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It is i believe Illegal to carry fuel containers inside the passenger compartment
Author:  shep [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:19 am ]
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McBane wrote:
It is i believe Illegal to carry fuel containers inside the passenger compartment


Depends on the container, some jerry cans are fine to carry on aeroplanes :wink:
Author:  tonyevans [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:47 pm ]
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shep wrote:
McBane wrote:
It is i believe Illegal to carry fuel containers inside the passenger compartment


Depends on the container, some jerry cans are fine to carry on aeroplanes :wink:

I just brought 2 of them to bring fuel home from town for the field cars - Got sick of the cheap ones cracking or the plastic ones getting hole on the roads out here and leaking fuel on my carpet like a fuse.
Author:  Mike57 [ Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:00 pm ]
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I only use reasonably new metal jerry cans. They are the only ones that never allow any vapour to escape IMO. I have taken 40 litres up to the Simpson and always have at least one can with me when offroad. Never have any smell. If you can smell the fuel then don't use that container inside the vehicle. I find that most of the plastic containers are not totally airtight.

Image

That is actually a metal water can at the rear in the photo but the fuel cans are the same size and fit in the same way.
Author:  joel [ Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:44 pm ]
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fuel leaking is a problem, whether inside or outside the vehicle.
fuel leaking outside the vehicle onto a hot exhaust will catch fire and burn you just as quick as a unsecured "b"grade gerry inside the vehicle.
you townies just need to know how to properly secure your load and in a appropriate gerry. IMO on the roof is terrible, as this will be more likey the reason you end up on the side of the road upside down to begin with.

every dry season, i see more and more townies with all the gear and no idea, they have the lock stock and 2 smoking barrels on top of the roof, about 1 meter high, and the interior of the vehicle empty, other than the fridge with some girly james boags or some such yuppy drink. than wander why shep is dragging their lifeless stupid bodies out of wrecks as they have way to much weight up to high.

when i first moved up here, i hardly saw items on the roof other than swags and the odd car topper tinny, now it seems its a competition to see who can fir the most up there, like the last one to fill the bin type game.

fuel inside the vehicle is fine if:
its in a air tight appropriate gerry
secured properly
Author:  VonDecoy [ Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:39 pm ]
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McBane wrote:
It is i believe Illegal to carry fuel containers inside the passenger compartment


That's rich coming from you...or me for that matter.

Carry on. :roll:
Author:  joel [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:12 pm ]
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VonDecoy wrote:
McBane wrote:
It is i believe Illegal to carry fuel containers inside the passenger compartment


That's rich coming from you...or me for that matter.

Carry on. :roll:

not to mention incorrect...
Author:  tonyevans [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:11 am ]
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It will VOID most insurance policy's though I am sure you will find.
Author:  Pascal [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:06 pm ]
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Interesting! So many people, so many different ideas.

I am probably much more different then all of you. As i already have 50mm body lift, that did make extra space for air compressor, air compressed botle AND bigger fuel tank! Ordered from ATL bigger fuel tank with safety blader, internal black box, safety valve, duel pump and extra 35L of fuel!! Safe, easy to install, unbreakable!

Truly yours uncle Pascal
Author:  Richard [ Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:07 pm ]
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If anyone is silly enough to carry fuel inside their vehicle, it is their problem, BUT what about your passenger/s, they have a right to life.

My extra fuel goes on the outside racks.
Author:  jimny_timmy [ Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:24 pm ]
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Pascal wrote:
Interesting! So many people, so many different ideas.

I am probably much more different then all of you. As i already have 50mm body lift, that did make extra space for air compressor, air compressed botle AND bigger fuel tank! Ordered from ATL bigger fuel tank with safety blader, internal black box, safety valve, duel pump and extra 35L of fuel!! Safe, easy to install, unbreakable!

Truly yours uncle Pascal


I see you have a jimny.... care to elborate more on this fuel tank? I'm highly interested in this :)
Author:  Jezza86 [ Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:08 am ]
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jimny_timmy wrote:
Pascal wrote:
Interesting! So many people, so many different ideas.

I am probably much more different then all of you. As i already have 50mm body lift, that did make extra space for air compressor, air compressed botle AND bigger fuel tank! Ordered from ATL bigger fuel tank with safety blader, internal black box, safety valve, duel pump and extra 35L of fuel!! Safe, easy to install, unbreakable!

Truly yours uncle Pascal


I see you have a jimny.... care to elborate more on this fuel tank? I'm highly interested in this :)

ATL fuel tank? what is it like a racing fuel cell with a bladder or something? more info would be awesome
Author:  Pascal [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:11 pm ]
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So few more details, basically my engineer did develop Al7075T6 holder for the bladder and made 3D desing of bladder that ATL will customize for my Jimny. It is including "black box", high pressure fuel pump (For later mods on engine needed. At moment we just will adjust pressure by STD spec till we dont change ECU and modify engine.) Same i did it for my Defender last year. (Normally every year or two i buy one off-road and modify it to the end of possible, so now obviusly is the Jimny turn).

Anyhow at moment going for other stuff like 100mm lift kit fully on Uni-Balls, intergated solar roof panels for second battery to run TV, fridge, micro-owen and maybe few more things. (Will be a bit challange since Jimny is not big as FJ or Defender.) Will see!

Truly Yours Uncle Pascal
Author:  reeceh [ Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:26 am ]
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I read that as if I was talking like Arnold scharwznegger (spelling)
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