[SuziKing]

I need to rebuild my swivel hubs and replace the rear wheel bearings axle seals etc, and ill get new shoes, pads amd rotors etc so when ordering parts for my maruti do I tell them it's a maruti mg410wt or do I say it's a wt sierra ?

[MrRocky]

Just say its a 1992 sj70 wt 1.3 sierra or your going to get given the wrong stuff 90% of the time

[SuziKing]

Alright, is there any parts that that are different between a sierra and a maruti when it comes to the driveline ?

[MrRocky]

Tailshaft, jackshaft, non boosted brakes, diff ratios (4.1), transfer case (12% reduction over 1.3)
Thats really about it

[SuziKing]

What do I need and or have to change to run the vitara vented rotors ?

[Gwagensteve]

Vitara vented calipers. That’s about it.

[SuziKing]

So they fit straight on and then I run sierra pads ?
Any particular year vitara ?

[Gwagensteve]

No, you run vitara pads, rotors and calipers.

Yes, they bolt straight on. They are a moderate pain to bleed because they are in a different orientation in a vitara and the bleed nipple is in the wrong spot.- basically they need to be unbolted to bleed.

[Gwagensteve]

1991- 1995(ish) LWB 1.6 vitara

[Mickc]

I need to rebuild my swivel hubs and replace the rear wheel bearings axle seals etc, and ill get new shoes, pads amd rotors etc so when ordering parts for my maruti do I tell them it's a maruti mg410wt or do I say it's a wt sierra ?

You haven't mention what year Maruti ?
1990 to 1992? had one litre diffs (smaller centers) with front disc's (same as 1.3) and rear drums (looks same as NT1.3. & transfer drum hand brake)
1993 on had WT diffs? with 4.11 ratio.

Bearings and seals same for 1 litre NT diff ?

[Mickc]

Gwagensteve wrote "I don’t believe the maruti has a booster at all"

True, master cylinder bolts directly to paddle box through bulkhead/firewall and is same or similar 1 litre.

[Mickc]

Re Engine and gear box mount position.

The rear of the 4spd maruti gearbox is the same as Sierra 5pd.
But mounting holes are 21/23mm further back than a NT 1.3.
I moved them forward with a modified mount and welded engine mounts in standard 1.3 position.
(Did 1.6 baleno engine swap and had clearance issues to thermostat housing)

You might be able to bolt drive train up and weld engine mounts in custom position
as I don't think 1.3 will have clearance issues and use maruti jack shaft.

If you weld engine mounts in standard 1.3 position you will need to use WT or NT jack shaft.
They are longer as Mr Rocky mention, ( I measured 15mm longer. )

[SuziKing]

It's a 1994 wt. So will I need to modiify the mounts or not.. Mr rocky said I shouldn't. Ill try using the maruti jackshaft as I dont feel like swaping the flanges as iv'e already dropped the transfer and changes seals. The way Mr Rocky said was that bolting the box in and sitting the motor down on the chassis will be were the motor will live and I was under the impression that it would be the same as a 1.3 chassis.. But maybe like you said only if I use the longer shaft. Ive read up everything I can find on this conversion but everyone has clashing opinions.

[Gwagensteve]

It doesn’t really matter that there’s “clashing opinions” - you’re just going to replicate a 1.3 car. As you have both sets of everything if you have to use the maruti or Sierra jackshaft it’s inconsequential.

Swapping the input flange is a 5 minute job. If that’s too much hassle you’ll never complete the rest of the conversion.

[MrRocky]

Bolt the gbox in and rest motor and mounts on chassis then tack in place, pull out then weld them up. Use the maruti jackshaft and you wont have any issues

[MrRocky]

The 4spd maruti box is identical in size externally to the 5spd so bolts in as per normal in the factory position so the shifter works as normal.
Once you start moving stuff around you run the risk of having to mod shifter holes ect...

[SuziKing]

Thankyou, I've almost got the 1.3 ready to come out just need the time one arvo to do so. Then I can cut off the mounts and ran up the chassis. And I was looking at the air boxes doesn't look hard to just cut the mounts off each car and swap them, I'm going to go that way to save cluttered pipe work and keep it simple.

[SuziKing]

Sat the motor and box in today and all I can say is im dissappoited Mr Rocky I don't know what suzuki you put your engine in but must not have been a WT maruti you were wrong about the positioning of the box and which jackshaft to use as Mickc says the gearbox mounts are further foward and the maruti shaft is to short.
I measured the postion of both the engine mounts prior to removal and I now have the motor sitting in the standard 1.3 postion.
I did try to bolt the box in and but it sat very close to the firewall would have worked if you were game but the gearbox shifter hits on the back of the shifter hole.. The gearbox is to far back.
So Im going to weld up the 1.3 in the standard position and then make a custom gearbox mount, change the transfer flange and use the sierra jack shaft.

[MrRocky]

Might have been a honda come to think of it ?
Im sure youll figure it out, sorry to lead you astray with garbage tech

[greavesyzook]

SuziKing wrote:

Sat the motor and box in today and all I can say is im dissappoited Mr Rocky I don't know what suzuki you put your engine in but must not have been a WT maruti you were wrong about the positioning of the box and which jackshaft to use as Mickc says the gearbox mounts are further foward and the maruti shaft is to short.
I measured the postion of both the engine mounts prior to removal and I now have the motor sitting in the standard 1.3 postion.
I did try to bolt the box in and but it sat very close to the firewall would have worked if you were game but the gearbox shifter hits on the back of the shifter hole.. The gearbox is to far back.
So Im going to weld up the 1.3 in the standard position and then make a custom gearbox mount, change the transfer flange and use the sierra jack shaft.

Rocky knows what his talking about mate

[SuziKing]

He might but when I tried to mount the engine and box in the way he described it wouldn't work the engine was very close to the firewall would have probally cleared it but I didn't test it because where the shifter goes into the box hits the shifter hole in the floor which prevented the box and engine going further back.
If I had a body lift It may work but I doubt the shifter would work without modifying the shifter hole.
I had the gearbox half a hole out before it clipped the shifter hole but when I measured the engine mounts they were like 20mm further back then standard sierra mounts so I moved it foward to the standard 1.3 postion which positioned the shifter in the centre of the hole

[madmacca]

might be that you are putting the G13b in , mick may have been using a coil pack G16 ,
I assume its your dizzy that had clearance issues ?

[SuziKing]

Nup the gearbox hits the shifter hole

[MrRocky]

Its possible the 8+ wt marutis ive done were odball ones.
Given the maruti 4spd box and 1.3 5spd box are externally idententical i cant see how you would have any issue other than human error with fitment

[SuziKing]

The only thing I can think of is to use the gearbox arm mount off the 4 speed onto the 5 speed box maybe it's longer
I would post photos but it won't let me