[The Saint of Killers]

fujitsubo wrote:

The Saint of Killers wrote:

Premium Unleaded Fuel (98ron)
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how did it run afterwards, with a weber and 98 mine ran like dog shit so i never bothered putting 98 in it again.

I'm not really sure to be honest, it feels better than when I bought it, is able to accelerate up hills as stated above, having only ever driven mine, I can't be sure I'm not just comparing horse shit to dog shit.

Are these things always rough and "fuel-ly" even at the best times?

[MrRocky]

6 pages of performance build thread... no performance to date

[The Saint of Killers]

MrRocky wrote:

6 pages of performance build thread... no performance to date

Did you skip a page?
Did a non-timed assessment on page 5.

If you want a timed assessment you'll need to wait another couple of weeks. I tried but could not get my equipment to calibrate correctly.

[MrRocky]

A service and a muffler isnt performance

[The Saint of Killers]

MrRocky wrote:

A service and a muffler isnt performance

To correct you;

Exhaust system*
Straight through muffler*
Extractors*
Timing advance*
Plugs and leads to suit*

Or aren't they considered modifications here?

[Brenno]

The Saint of Killers wrote:

MrRocky wrote:

A service and a muffler isnt performance

To correct you;

Exhaust system*
Straight through muffler*
Extractors*
Timing advance*
Plugs and leads to suit*

Or aren't they considered modifications here?

Not for 6 pages worth. Really its just an exhaust system, and timing that isn't factory. Is there any power increase?

[alien]

Yeah exhaust & timing is just the first thing anyone does with a stock car.

Performance builds means doing stuff to the internals IMO... porting and pistons and cams and stuff. (and EFI lol)

[Fatzook]

Id say its relative.
On a sierra, exhaust and air filter are almost maintenance. Not much gain to be had.

On a JDM turbo sled, they are performance enhancers.

Having said that... every car ive modified I started with exhaust and intake, so I guess this is just the place most people start off.

[sideways]

I haven't read the thread.

I timed it before and after because I don't trust the butt dyno. Extractors and 2" exhaust (V6 commo cat, hot dog and dog leg muffler, quiet) made about 1 second improvement to my 0-100 and 1/4 mile times. It made the most difference in the low-mid range, I could drive up the hill from my house in a gear higher than previously. Just like every other 1.3l sierra, the original muffler was totally rusted out and the manifold was cracked.

[Fatzook]

sideways wrote:

I haven't read the thread.

I timed it before and after because I don't trust the butt dyno. Extractors and 2" exhaust (V6 commo cat, hot dog and dog leg muffler, quiet) made about 1 second improvement to my 0-100 and 1/4 mile times. It made the most difference in the low-mid range, I could drive up the hill from my house in a gear higher than previously. Just like every other 1.3l sierra, the original muffler was totally rusted out and the manifold was cracked.

Maintenance.

Maybe it goes as well now as it did when it was new.

[The Saint of Killers]

Brenno wrote:

Not for 6 pages worth. Really its just an exhaust system, and timing that isn't factory. Is there any power increase?

This is EXACTLY the reason I posted it as an open thread in the NOOB section, it's not a tech thread posted with confidence from an established member.
I had the idea to create more power from a G13BA rather than do an engine swap (in which case, I would've followed the already established tech docs)

To answer your question, I have no idea at this stage, I have not been able to test in reliable conditions, or get my equipment to calibrate correctly.
I will not be funding a dyno but I did buy a well reviewed and somewhat expensive accelerometer/g-force meter so this thread has some credibility and those following can establish in future whether it's worth doing, one, none or all of the modifications I perform.

[The Saint of Killers]

alien wrote:

Yeah exhaust & timing is just the first thing anyone does with a stock car.

Performance builds means doing stuff to the internals IMO... porting and pistons and cams and stuff. (and EFI lol)

Somewhat agree.

I have spent quite a large amount already getting it to where it is now.
I did advise in earlier posts that I was going to slow down and enjoy it for a little while.

If people could be patient, I am committed to finishing the project - albeit not a forged engine and no FI (as per previous pages).
I invest a large sum each year into motorsports/restoration - all privately funded without write-offs but with the current state of the economy, I have reduced my budget and extended completion on this particular vehicle.

Once testing is out of the way I can upgrade the carb/carbs - That way, members can see the results a full exhaust/timing upgrade can potentially offer.

I may just enjoy the car through summer, at-least it's drivable and not stuck in a workshop.
I would be extremely frustrated to again be quoted a certain timeframe only for it to blow out as it always does and miss out on the best weather! (In this industry it's X3 - when someone says "One week", it's three, when they say "One month", you're in for some trouble!)

Carb/Carbs will be the next step followed by rebuild, camshafts, valve springs etc. which walk hand in hand.

Anyone who thinks this will never eventuate, well they just don't know me.

[alien]

I'm driving a stock coily at the moment - It has a refreshed stock engine, reco'd carby and extractors and it is SLOW. AS. FUCK. compared to the UFO which had 1.6efi + exhaust. The G13 has absolutely NOTHING below 3500rpm, where the 1.6 picks up from about 2,000rpm. I haven't driven a stock car in about 15 years so the comparison now is chalk and cheese.

Honestly, bite the bullet and go bigger capacity.

Word on the street is that Suzistore are in the midst of figuring out an m-series to sierra gearbox adaptor of some sort too, which opens up an epic world of cheap swift/liana engines.

[The Saint of Killers]

alien wrote:

I'm driving a stock coily at the moment - It has a refreshed stock engine, reco'd carby and extractors and it is SLOW. AS. FUCK. compared to the UFO which had 1.6efi + exhaust. The G13 has absolutely NOTHING below 3500rpm, where the 1.6 picks up from about 2,000rpm. I haven't driven a stock car in about 15 years so the comparison now is chalk and cheese.

Honestly, bite the bullet and go bigger capacity.

Word on the street is that Suzistore are in the midst of figuring out an m-series to sierra gearbox adaptor of some sort too, which opens up an epic world of cheap swift/liana engines.

I can't honestly say I haven't been tempted, it can be a frustrating little car to drive, especially on the 110kph highways. I sometimes wonder why I didn't just buy a nice Wrangler and do away with all the shortcomings of the Suzuki.
Then I'll go for a drive on a nice day and have some friends along for the journey and everyone is laughing and having a great time and I think "this is why I bought it!"
I'm yet to go to a 4WD track but I'm confident I'll get the same feeling if the little 1.3 can show up a FJ or two.

It's not a practical car and the stock engine is not a wise platform to invest in, inversely, I've now had three former Jimny/Seirra owners taking it for a spin and either smiling ear to ear or outright laughing with the joy of driving one again.
They've all suggested keeping the engine original when asked if they'd change it and I've even had offers made on the car as is. One of them had a 1.0L so he probably thought it was "MAD QUICK" hahahaha

If I was to swap engines I'd still be shunned here anyway because I'd pick the BB- Purely because I love the way it revs!
Some of the old school Sierra owners love the 1.3, complete with no power and smell of fuel.
I'm partly there myself, just need a few more pony legs helping her move!

[Gwagensteve]

A G13BB is the logical and sensible choice. It doesn’t carry especially high revs though. A miles better solution than a G13B though. You’ll spend miles more than the cost of a g13BB swap trying to make a g13ba make 60kw and it won’t be anywhere near as reliable or have anywhere near as broad a powerband.

[alien]

The Saint of Killers wrote:

I'm yet to go to a 4WD track but I'm confident I'll get the same feeling if the little 1.3 can show up a FJ or two.

Offroad the power doesn't make a difference, unless you're on sand and going for speed... You'll run rings around most other vehicles due to weight & wheelbase alone =)

[The Saint of Killers]

Gwagensteve wrote:

A G13BB is the logical and sensible choice. It doesn’t carry especially high revs though. A miles better solution than a G13B though.

My mistake, I actually meant the twin cam and I know your stance on on those.

[The Saint of Killers]

alien wrote:

Offroad the power doesn't make a difference, unless you're on sand and going for speed... You'll run rings around most other vehicles due to weight & wheelbase alone =)

Thanks mate, I just find it hilarious to say I have a 1.3 carb engine. People who aren't familiar with the model can't believe it! I assume most people into 4wding would know already though if I start heading in that direction.

[Gwagensteve]

My 660cc motor had plenty of power offroad.

[vet 180]

The Saint of Killers wrote:

I did advise in earlier posts that I was going to slow down and enjoy it for a little while.

I may just enjoy the car through summer, at-least it's drivable and not stuck in a workshop.

Smartest things you have said all thread.

Do yourself a favour and dont give a sh#t what what the internet says. Sure you started a performance thread, learnt a little and ended up with no performance mods as a consequence. Everyone here will give you crap (including me) as its just too easy, but the smart thing to do is thrash that little 1.3 until it blows and then figure outbwhat direction you will go. Wheeling and expirence is the best performance mod!

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[vet 180]

The Saint of Killers wrote:

I did advise in earlier posts that I was going to slow down and enjoy it for a little while.

I may just enjoy the car through summer, at-least it's drivable and not stuck in a workshop.

Smartest things you have said all thread.

Do yourself a favour and dont give a sh#t what what the internet says. Sure you started a performance thread, learnt a little and ended up with no performance mods as a consequence. Everyone here will give you crap (including me) as its just too easy, but the smart thing to do is thrash that little 1.3 until it blows and then figure outbwhat direction you will go. Wheeling and expirence is the best performance mod!

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[alien]

I once wheeled with a bloke who couldn't justify a 1.6 upgrade until he blew up his 1.3... He spent literally a whole summers day on the limiter, including the entire drive home, and it didn't flinch. In fact, it ran better after that. He was so impressed, and continued to drive it like that for a few more years before selling it on.

Food for thought (if you have no mechanical sympathy) haha

[The Saint of Killers]

vet 180 wrote:

The Saint of Killers wrote:

I did advise in earlier posts that I was going to slow down and enjoy it for a little while.

I may just enjoy the car through summer, at-least it's drivable and not stuck in a workshop.

Smartest things you have said all thread.

Do yourself a favour and dont give a sh#t what what the internet says. Sure you started a performance thread, learnt a little and ended up with no performance mods as a consequence. Everyone here will give you crap (including me) as its just too easy, but the smart thing to do is thrash that little 1.3 until it blows and then figure outbwhat direction you will go. Wheeling and expirence is the best performance mod!

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Well I'm sure glad I was finally able to finally achieve someone's approval, however back-handed it may be

To clarify, I will be throwing some more money at it, I just won't be going quite as far as suggested on page 1.

Criticism is part of life and it's not unwelcome here. The engine conversion people were always going to throw in their two cents but most of the advice on the thread has been very helpful.
Never been afraid to walk to the beat of my own drum and never been so unwise as to not learn from others along the way. Why start worrying now!

.....And I still wouldn't mind a fricken cam recommendation from someone hahaha

[vet 180]

The Saint of Killers wrote:

vet 180 wrote:

The Saint of Killers wrote:

I did advise in earlier posts that I was going to slow down and enjoy it for a little while.

I may just enjoy the car through summer, at-least it's drivable and not stuck in a workshop.

Smartest things you have said all thread.

Do yourself a favour and dont give a sh#t what what the internet says. Sure you started a performance thread, learnt a little and ended up with no performance mods as a consequence. Everyone here will give you crap (including me) as its just too easy, but the smart thing to do is thrash that little 1.3 until it blows and then figure outbwhat direction you will go. Wheeling and expirence is the best performance mod!

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Well I'm sure glad I was finally able to finally achieve someone's approval, however back-handed it may be [emoji38]

To clarify, I will be throwing some more money at it, I just won't be going quite as far as suggested on page 1.

Criticism is part of life and it's not unwelcome here. The engine conversion people were always going to throw in their two cents but most of the advice on the thread has been very helpful.
Never been afraid to walk to the beat of my own drum and never been so unwise as to not learn from others along the way. Why start worrying now!

.....And I still wouldn't mind a fricken cam recommendation from someone hahaha

You will find this information hard to find as cams move torque and power around. The more aggressive the cam the more top end at a sacrifice of low end. As low end power is very important for offroad vehicles people on an offroad forum rarely run them, but insteed would choose mods that affect the entire powerband like uping displacement, supercharging or turbo charging.

The G13 already has limited low end as it is, most people wont spend their hard earned to make it worse.

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[bumstein]

The Saint of Killers wrote:

Well I'm sure glad I was finally able to finally achieve someone's approval, however back-handed it may be

not everyone’s a critic, I‘m enjoying the read. Would I do it? Hell no. Buuutttt you seem to have a good idea of what you want to try achieve and how you’re going to go about it.

You’re not ignorant to the cost and it’s your money, fill yer boots I reckon!!

[fordem]

The Saint of Killers wrote:

.....And I still wouldn't mind a fricken cam recommendation from someone hahaha

Do a google search on "Samurai Torquer cam" - make sure to read the reviews.

[The Saint of Killers]

vet 180 wrote:

You will find this information hard to find as cams move torque and power around. The more aggressive the cam the more top end at a sacrifice of low end. As low end power is very important for offroad vehicles people on an offroad forum rarely run them, but insteed would choose mods that affect the entire powerband like uping displacement, supercharging or turbo charging.

The G13 already has limited low end as it is, most people wont spend their hard earned to make it worse.

Thanks Vet,

Yes, so far I've found the 260 and the 272 but there was also a grind that was apparently close to the standard power band but offered more power (where it was in the rev range, I couldn't figure out)

Not too sure what I'm going to experience with these two options but from what I could read, Torquer has almost instant power and pull ups to 4000 before runs out of puff.
I assume the 272 would have a nicer band in the upper rev range.

260 Torquer Cam Specs:
Intake Duration: 208.4 deg.
Exhaust Duration: 211.5 deg.
Max Intake Cam Lift: .25339"
Max Exhaust Cam Lift: .25665"

272 High Performance Cam Specs:
Intake Duration: 219.9 deg.
Exhaust Duration: 223 deg.
Max Intake Cam Lift: ..27331"
Max Exhaust Cam Lift: .27543"

[The Saint of Killers]

bumstein wrote:

The Saint of Killers wrote:

Well I'm sure glad I was finally able to finally achieve someone's approval, however back-handed it may be

not everyone’s a critic, I‘m enjoying the read. Would I do it? Hell no. Buuutttt you seem to have a good idea of what you want to try achieve and how you’re going to go about it.

You’re not ignorant to the cost and it’s your money, fill yer boots I reckon!!

Haha thanks mate! I haven't heard that term used before so I shall borrow it henceforth.

[The Saint of Killers]

fordem wrote:

The Saint of Killers wrote:

.....And I still wouldn't mind a fricken cam recommendation from someone hahaha

Do a google search on "Samurai Torquer cam" - make sure to read the reviews.

Thanks Fordem, I've been looking for more information on it's highway manners, most I've found discuss the instant torque.


As a real zany idea, I've pondered fitting an adjustable cam gear with suitable cam grind. The idea was to adjust the cam to suit higher speed or move the torque curve lower for 4wding.
I would mount a suitable spanner in the engine bay and mark the different settings on the timing cover.
I could have one pressed easily enough but there are so many unknowns beyond that.

That being said, I understand the principle of varying cam gears but I'm quite naïve as I've never done it before.

Things to consider would be tuning and timing to suit which would be a pain I imagine without an ECU sorting it out for me.

Just a fun thought.

[vet 180]

The Saint of Killers wrote:

vet 180 wrote:

You will find this information hard to find as cams move torque and power around. The more aggressive the cam the more top end at a sacrifice of low end. As low end power is very important for offroad vehicles people on an offroad forum rarely run them, but insteed would choose mods that affect the entire powerband like uping displacement, supercharging or turbo charging.

The G13 already has limited low end as it is, most people wont spend their hard earned to make it worse.

Thanks Vet,

Yes, so far I've found the 260 and the 272 but there was also a grind that was apparently close to the standard power band but offered more power (where it was in the rev range, I couldn't figure out)

Not too sure what I'm going to experience with these two options but from what I could read, Torquer has almost instant power and pull ups to 4000 before runs out of puff.
I assume the 272 would have a nicer band in the upper rev range.

260 Torquer Cam Specs:
Intake Duration: 208.4 deg.
Exhaust Duration: 211.5 deg.
Max Intake Cam Lift: .25339"
Max Exhaust Cam Lift: .25665"

272 High Performance Cam Specs:
Intake Duration: 219.9 deg.
Exhaust Duration: 223 deg.
Max Intake Cam Lift: ..27331"
Max Exhaust Cam Lift: .27543"

The 272 would be closer to a stock cam in terms of powerband from what I have read. The 260 is purely to get more torque than stock for offroad, but then runs out of puff much earlier.

But keep in mind these are very minimal gains. For example a G16a with the big 272 wont even conpare with a stock G16b. So your G13ba wont even come close to a G16a. Hence why the G16b engine is such a good swap for the coin.

I still vote get a G13bb and supercharge it if you want to keep it a 1.3L. Even a small turbo that spoils very early may be cool maybe there is something out there from a 2-2.5 diesel engine that may work. Nothing beats forced fed induction on a small displacement engine.

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