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Author:  Farkyard [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
Have a pre-wired wiring harness to fit up an led bar light. Depending on the car being either positively or negatively high beam switched there is a difference as to which way the wiring is completed in instructions. Most of the stuff I've read on the forum suggests its negatively switched. Can someone in the know confirm this is true for an XL7?

Also each headlight has two sets of wires going in. One set of three wires (which all look to be a similar colour) go into a rubber grommet on back of light. Second set are lower down and are black, green, and red. I assume colored set may be indicators.

If three going into headlight are the ones I need to connect to how do I tell which is which positive and negative on them for connection as per step 7 on the following instructions which assumes negative switching.
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I can follow instructions but this step is difficult unless I know which wires to connect to.
Author:  atari4x4 [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
it's negatively switched, locate the red wire with silver bands around it on the headlight plug & tap into that... but don't use the scotch locks, strip the insulation off a section & twitch the trigger wire in, solder & tape.
Author:  Farkyard [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
Cheers Atari. With your advice in mind went and had a better look. Drivers side head light has three red wires:
One mostly red with white stripe
One mostly white with red stripe
One solid red wire

Passenger side:
One mostly red with white stripe
One solid Red wire
One mostly white with blue stripe

Does this help any further? I've included a schematic of the harness.
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Author:  atari4x4 [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
can you take a pic of the RHS headlight plug showing the wires coming out of it.

heaps of info in this thread, although it does get a bit confusing at the end with all the random diagrams viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1108&hilit=spot+light+wiring
Author:  atari4x4 [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
oh i'm not talking about a stripe, there should be a silver band around the wire about every inch or so

EDIT: like this banding on the wires but on the headlight plug
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Author:  Farkyard [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
Do these hep?

Drivers side:
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Passenger side:
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Shite shots with crap lighting sorry. May be able to get better tommorow. May be getting our stripes and bands confused Atari! Tomayto. Tomato and all that.

I had read through the pages of the thread but all appear to be more about wiring from scratch and not a pre-prepared loom as I got hold of to make things 'easier'. The connections all make sense, sort of, until the bit that hooks into the existing high beams.
Author:  atari4x4 [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
sort of but not really, unplug the RHS plug off the globe & take a pic.

stripe runs the length of the wire, or also known as a trace. eg red with white trace & a band wraps around it... eg white with red trace & silver band

you can see the silver bands in your pics, my guess it's middle one in the first pic.... the red wire with silver bands. :wink:
Author:  Farkyard [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
Cheers Atari. I will do so in the morning and post the pics. Cheers for the help so far.
Author:  Farkyard [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
G'day all,
So here is the drivers side light socket:
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Left hand is white with red trace
Top is red with white trace
Right hand side is solid red

As instructions suggest I need to identify the constant positive and the negative to complete the job. All help greatly appreciated.
Author:  tanshi [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
well on the plug you have in the pic above, the one marked ground is the earth or negative.
Author:  Farkyard [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
Ah the joys of modern camera phones and too much looking at joes pics on the other thread! I didn't notice that on the plug mate. Cheers. So if ground is negative which out of drive and pass is the positive?
Author:  atari4x4 [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
my guess is still solid red with the silver bands!! got a test light? you should be able to work it out in a second. :wink:
Author:  Farkyard [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
Got test light onto her so:
Pass light shows on when high beam on.
Do I take it to mean this the one I need to splice into?
Author:  Farkyard [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
Right first test fire was a failure. Power to switch with it indicating it was always on even after ignition off. Nothing to light bar. Thoughts?
Author:  atari4x4 [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
atari4x4 wrote:
my guess is still solid red with the silver bands!!


:roll:
Author:  Farkyard [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
Have run out of light to fault find at this point. My suspicion is poor connection at my joins. As I said green 'on' light on and wont change with switch position. and I would assume it should only be on if lights are on.
Author:  fordem [ Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
What we need is folks who are guessing to shut up - Atari's silver "bands" are of no relevance, and tanshi's negative/ground is actually the +12V feed from the fuse.

High beam is the red wire with no stripe - or as Atari calls it solid red with silver bands - low beam is the red wire with the white stripe - and if you need to see that as a color pdf of the wiring diagram, see attached.

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XL-7headlights.pdf
Author:  atari4x4 [ Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
i'm not guessing, i'm going off knowledge of wiring up spot lights & i've always used the red wire with silver bands on suzuki's. even written on this forum god knows how many times if people bothered to search, so i'm not the only one calling it a red with with silver bands.

when wring up the trigger wire i tap into the steering column loom on the firewall side of the plug instead of running more wire all the way out to the headlight plug as it's unnecessary, but seen he's trying to follow a pre made wiring loom & instructions i thought it was best to let him tap into the red wire with silver bands at the headlight... the steering column plug has many wires, blue with red, yellow with red, red with yellow, white, red etc etc, but only 2 red ones & only 1 wire that is red with silver bands so the chances of getting the wrong wire is very slim, hence going into detail of adding the silver bands.

i'm still "guessing" it's the red wire with silver bands :wink:

the wink is there to confirm it's not actually a "guess" but a statement as per all my other "guesses"



atari4x4 wrote:
it's negatively switched, locate the red wire with silver bands around it on the headlight plug & tap into that... but don't use the scotch locks, strip the insulation off a section & twitch the trigger wire in, solder & tape.


i still stand by my first post & all the following ones as being 100% correct. :wink:
Author:  fordem [ Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
So because it appears a million times on the interwebz that makes it gospel, eh?

Like you, I've wired spots on several Suzukis and know the color of the high beam wire as red, however, my source of information is Suzuki's FSMs not the interwebz - be my guest, find a Suzuki fsm that identifies the high beam connection as red with silver bands and I'll withdraw that statement.

Until such time - the silver bands have no significance as far as wire identification goes, the color/stripe is what Suzuki uses - red = high beam, red/white = low beam, white/red = right side headlight feed, white/blue = left side headlight feed.

You've already seen the evidence to support my position - where's yours?
Author:  atari4x4 [ Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
so we're arguing over a silver band on a red wire, but we both agree that we're talking about the same red wire? i'm stating the obvious so it eliminates any doubt on what wire to tap into especially with statements like this. :deadhorse:

Farkyard wrote:
One set of three wires (which all look to be a similar colour) go into a rubber grommet on back of light.


my evidence is i've done it & it works, really don't know what other proof you need, same with many others & when it's sprouted by people such a royce & want33's who have years of suzuki experience i tend to believe them too. i don't need a fancy wiring diagram from the FSM to work out how to wire up spotlights...

let me just go outside, pull the lower cover off my dashboard & untape the loom to show where i've tapped into. :roll:
Author:  Farkyard [ Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
Okay....this may be a really stupid question but...... Wiring harness designed for two spot/driving lights. I'm only putting on one led. Could this be an issue?
Author:  atari4x4 [ Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
nope, just use either the LHS or RHS spot light + & - in the supplied loom, then trim & tape up the unused one.

i do believe the LED spot lights/lightbars will only work wired one way, so if you're not getting any action at the light bar swap the wires around, you can check the lightbar wiring by going direct to the battery & seeing which one is + & -
Author:  Farkyard [ Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
I have now tried with said wires spliced both ways. Still no result. Switch light still seems to be staying on even with ignition off.

So here are the diagnostics with the constant being splice into the blue and white 'ground' wire on passenger side headlight (I went this side as grommet easier to get to for wiring etc as I had used it in the past):

1. Spliced into red with white stripe wire connected to 'pass' position
- No ignition/acc or lights on- switching will change from just green on light to both red and green on (note hard to tell if this is red light running through green but green dims when red on and brightens again when off)
- ignition, no lights on, same as above
- ignition on, lights on, low beam has switch with no red light on at all and switch brings green on and off only (power not shown shown to join to red and white wire)
- ignition on lights on, high beam, red light comes back on and off with switching , green light on constantly (although dims with red on) (power to join in red and white wire)


2. Spliced into solid red wire connected to 'drive' position
- No ignition/acc or lights on- switching will change from just green on light to both red and green on (note hard to tell if this is red light running through green but green dims when red on and brightens again when off)
- ignition, no lights on, as above
- ignition on, lights on, low beam on as above for switch (power shown to join in solid red wire)
- ignition on lights on, high beam, turns red light off, switching goes from green only light to no light with switching (no power to join in solid wire)

So the only constant in that is the join into the wire marked as ground with me assuming that is the negative high beam switching wire on the headlamp. Perhaps this part of the issue?

Other thought is that led light faulty. What are people's thoughts on a quick unswitched test straight to battery with some leads and a fuse to eliminate that factor?
Author:  Farkyard [ Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
Sorry about posting bout light to batt Atari. Took me a while to post and you got in before me.
Author:  atari4x4 [ Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
now you've got me confused with the post above, read step 7 again. test the light bar & go from there
Author:  Farkyard [ Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
Have now tested light straight to battery. Light good as can be testified by my six year old who will at some stage in the next couple of years get his eyesight back!
Author:  atari4x4 [ Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
did you take note on what wire went to pos & what went to neg on the battery.
Author:  Farkyard [ Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
Other post is just obs of what happening with wires connected at either drive or pass wire and on both occasions me assuming that the negative high beam switching wire is the one marked ground. I think we are all getting confused and maybe I should have just gone to auto-elec.

From what you are saying Atari I believe you would connect into the solid red wire that as per my pic is connected to the drive position on the headlight.

Would you also have the negative high beam switching wire as the one marked as ground on the light plug?
Author:  Farkyard [ Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
I did take note and they were actually tagged when light came out of box with negative in black wire and positive in blue. That's the way I tested it and it worked.
Author:  atari4x4 [ Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Grand Vitara 2002 XL7 high beam switching.
have a read of this viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4501&p=59579&hilit=red+wire#p59579
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