[rwt65]

Am looking at buying a Maruti and wondering if it is possible to get a 5 speed gearbox for one?
Did suzuki make a 5 speed for the 1ltr?
Cheers

[Gwagensteve]

It's possible to build one out of a maruti gearbox and a 1.3 gearbox. Whether the maruti has enough torque to drive the car in overdrive is a separate issue though.

Steve.

[rwt65]

Thanks Steve,
Does anyone know if you can repower to a 1.3 legally?

[Gwagensteve]

Engineering approval will be required, (or a mod plate for QLD?)

Steve.

[rwt65]

Thanks for your help Steve, appreciated.
Have been looking at a Maruti ute, thinking maybe to upgrade to a 1.3, will be a bit to much work if it needs to be engineered.
Richard T

[Rhinoman]

We got a 5-sp on the 1ltr here in the UK. Its not a performance option but cuts down the noise and improves economy on a fast road..

[whincup]

rwt65 wrote:

Thanks for your help Steve, appreciated.
Have been looking at a Maruti ute, thinking maybe to upgrade to a 1.3, will be a bit to much work if it needs to be engineered.
Richard T

i have a 1.3 in mine. passed a RWC without a mod plate or being engineered.

[Gwagensteve]

I know of two 1.3's that "passed a RWC" with a 1.6 in it. Doesn't mean it's legal. I also know of an owner who just rang Vicroads and informed them of an engine number change…. from G13BAXXXXX to G16AXXXXXX. It meant he had a rego label that matched what was on the block. Doesn't mean the engine swap was legal either.

So, can you repower a 1.0 with a 1.3 legally without engineering/approval? No.

Can you do it anyway and get away with it? Yes, but it's going to complicated at some point, especially with a maruti/1.3 swap where the engine mounts have to move A LOT

Steve.

[shep]

I know a old fella that built a 5 speed for his 2000 model maruti and it cruises along nicely in 5th. Stock everything except for ARB bar and winch. Oh and 16x6.00 LJ rims and bar treads

[sideways]

Under VSB14 (which is what we go by in W.A, I can't speak for other states) you are allowed to fit optional engines without engineering.

Quote:

1.1 BASIC MODIFICATIONS NOT REQUIRING CERTIFICATION
The following are Basic Modifications that may be performed without certification providing the
modifications are carried out in compliance with the requirements detailed in Clause 2 General
Requirements:
 Fitting a replacement new, used or reconditioned engine;
 Fitting a manufacturer’s optional engine together with any associated components as
supplied by the manufacturer for that same model vehicle;
 Fitting replacement original equipment engine and exhaust components;
 Fitting replacement original equipment, equivalent or better, components that have no
influence on engine performance or emissions (e.g. higher volume oil pump than original);
and
 Fitting equivalent engines with an increase of up to 20% of original power.
In all of the above cases, if the engine is modified, it must be certified under the relevant Code
of Section LA.

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... 011_v3.pdf

You could probably argue it was optional if you have a type 3 1l but for the others, that's a pretty grey area.

[Gwagensteve]

Let's follow that logic.

A 308 was an optional engine for a VB commodore, so if you had a VB commodore with a 202 in it, you could fit a 308 if you installed all of the associated equipment, no problem.

However, what was the optional engine for a Maruti MG410? Oh, there wasn't one.

What was the optional engine for an SJ410? Nope. no "option" there.

An SJ413 is a different model to a MG410 or an SJ413 so a 1.3 isn't an optional engine, it's the engine from a different model.

You could argue that if you installed a G13B into an MG410 and used all of the parts from a SJ413, you'd be fine, but then you'd need to fit a brake booster, which requires firewall modifications, which would need approval etc etc etc.

Steve.

[whincup]

everything that gwagen said is true, it's not technically legal. however, its not commonly picked up. but if you do get picked up its pretty big fines now. in QLD defects are the equivalent of high range drink driving or something like that now. i havent read the new laws properly but i know enough to know that its not good.

[sideways]

Gwagensteve wrote:

An SJ413 is a different model to a MG410 or an SJ413 so a 1.3 isn't an optional engine, it's the engine from a different model.

Whilst I agree with what you're saying, how does one define the model? That's where it gets grey.

Is an SV420 a different model to an SV620? Is a KE70 a different model to an AE70? Of course there's no alternative engine for the SJ410 as the SJ410 code specifically defines a Sierra with a 4 cylinder, 1 litre engine.

Aside from the engine, the brake booster and various ratios, a WT Maruti is mechanically basically the same as an SJ70. Is a brake booster really necessary? I remember 303zuke saying you didn't need the booster to make the 1.3l swap legal, he's not one to bullshit and he would be one to know.

I would say that it's certainly an illegal conversion for the type 1 and type 2 due to having to fab engine mounts, different brakes and them being older than the 1.3ls. The type 3 and Maruti are a bolt in swap and they have the correct brakes and so on so there's potential for it to be legal. I'm not saying it is legal, I'm saying it certainly could be. You'd have to ask the authorities and even then it's probably going to vary from person to person, state to state.

In any case, I'd never put a carby 1.3l in a Maruti. Just use a G16b and get it engineered. 10000x better result.

[Gwagensteve]

sideways wrote:

Gwagensteve wrote:

An SJ413 is a different model to a MG410 or an SJ413 so a 1.3 isn't an optional engine, it's the engine from a different model.

Whilst I agree with what you're saying, how does one define the model? That's where it gets grey.

I don't think it's that grey. A VB commodore is a VB commodore.

A MG410 is not a SJ413, just as a VB commodore isn't a VL, so an RB30T would require certification onto a VB.

sideways wrote:

In any case, I'd never put a carby 1.3l in a Maruti. Just use a G16b and get it engineered. 10000x better result.

Much truth here.

Steve.

[henno]

Gwagensteve wrote:

A MG410 is not a SJ413, just as a VB commodore isn't a VL, so an RB30T would require certification onto a VB.

Nail... Head... Direct hit.