[notmyrealname]

Hi again
I've got the mechanic to put in a 2" lift kit for me. The mechanic has put in king springs model KSFR-46SP. The car has looked a little higher, mostly in the rear. Not overly impressed and the ride height doesn't stack up with the other numbers quoted on here.

The King website specifies that the KSFR-46SP are for the 1.6L GV and ours in the 2.4L model. The only other springs (KSFR-46) listed for the GV are for the diesel and the V6. I called King to clarify and they recommended the KSFR-46 springs for our car.

Do you think I am within my rights to get the mechanic to put the correct model springs in there? The problem is that we are off to Moreton this weekend but without the extra lift I was wanting!

TIA

[Jezza86]

if i were the mechanic i would get your car back in the shop and refit stock springs and order the correct parts
pretty sure he is liable for the work he does, and would be liable for damages the vehicle has caused by installing incorrect parts if you went out of control due to the workmanship.

[buzbox]

They are the same spring but I think the 46 (non SP) are a lighter duty spring due to the V6 engine being heavier.
As for the 2" lift, Not many manufacturer's do a true 50mm lift spring for the GV. this is the description for the springs you have.

• Raises front ride height by approx. 20mm above standard, and rear ride height between approx. 30-40mm
• Some springs available in stiffer heavy duty and super heavy duty variants for vehicles that need an enhanced towing and carrying capacity

For that extra bit of clearance, you should've chosen the XL7 2.5 2.7L V6 springs, I can't remember exactly how much taller they are to SWB GV but it would be close to a "raised" spring. Obviously going with an XL7 raised spring would be closer to the 50-60mm 2" lift your after.

I'm sure the mechanic will argue that he installed the correct springs, perhaps not for the engine capacity for that car but I don't think it would be much difference height wise. Worth a shot though.

Alternatively, spring spacers may be used to level it out with the rear and or get the desired height.

[alien]

^^ This

The springs are rated for the weight of the vehicle, so while you'll have a nice flexy comfy ride, those springs will probably flog out pretty quick!

[notmyrealname]

Great thanks guys. I'm not massively worried about the right height. The tyres have got a fair bit of that anyways. It does concern me about the sag potential. I just feel that they should be putting in the springs that the spring manufacturer recommends. Especially as we have a steel bull bar on the front.
BTW I've gone for the BFG KO2 235/70/16

[Gwagensteve]

Coil springs do NOT "sag"

Lift is pointless in a NGV in my opinion- the more you lift them the less they flex.

Steve.

[ZUZUKI]

The XL-7 is the 1st gen. SQ series, which has a completely different suspension arrangement to the 2009 JB / JT 2nd Gen. GV, so a XL-7 spring won't be suitable.
The rear bush on the front control arm is real limiting factor on the 2nd gen. GV, so as Gwagen says, it's a mostly pointless exercise.
Learn to live with a little lift, having said that, the spring fitted seems to be for the SWB & as you say, 1.6litre engined car, which would be a lighter car than your 2.4litre 5door wagon, so is not the right one.
If you gave the correct info to the mechanic & he ordered & fitted the wrong springs (according to Kings) then yes, you should ask him to change them.
Rgs, Michael

[fordem]

Gwagensteve wrote:

Coil springs do NOT "sag"

Aaahhhmm going to have to disagree with that.

I have a pair of front coils from a Mitsubishi Pajero iO here - when I got the car, the front driver's side (right side) was lower than the passenger side - anywhere from 10~20mm, it varied from one day to the next - it took me almost a year to source a new OEM pair of springs, and the replacements were visually a perfect match to the originals, free height, wire thickness, number of turns, right down to Mitsubishi's color code paint markings.

I had been told before that coil springs do not sag, so I was curious, hence the reason for the measurements and the photographs - as I mentioned there was no visual difference - the free height was identical (so no sag, eh?) - what I found is that holding 2~3 adjacent turns of the springs in my hands, I could to some extent, compress the springs, and the old springs, especially the driver's side, were noticeably weaker than the replacements.

I guess I should also mention that the previous driver of the vehicle weighed in at over 300 lbs - the driver's seat mounts were also broken and had to be welded.

The new springs corrected my ride height variations and perhaps more importantly, the constantly varying negative camber and vague steering that resulted from the variations.

[atari4x4]

fordem wrote:

Gwagensteve wrote:

Coil springs do NOT "sag"

Aaahhhmm going to have to disagree with that.

I have a pair of front coils from a Mitsubishi Pajero iO here - when I got the car, the front driver's side (right side) was lower than the passenger side - anywhere from 10~20mm, it varied from one day to the next - it took me almost a year to source a new OEM pair of springs, and the replacements were visually a perfect match to the originals, free height, wire thickness, number of turns, right down to Mitsubishi's color code paint markings.

I had been told before that coil springs do not sag, so I was curious, hence the reason for the measurements and the photographs - as I mentioned there was no visual difference - the free height was identical (so no sag, eh?) - what I found is that holding 2~3 adjacent turns of the springs in my hands, I could to some extent, compress the springs, and the old springs, especially the driver's side, were noticeably weaker than the replacements.

I guess I should also mention that the previous driver of the vehicle weighed in at over 300 lbs - the driver's seat mounts were also broken and had to be welded.

The new springs corrected my ride height variations and perhaps more importantly, the constantly varying negative camber and vague steering that resulted from the variations.

*calmini?

[fordem]

If that was a question to me - the answer is no - I removed what I believe were Mitsubishi OEM springs, and replaced them with what were supposed to be Mitsubishi OEM springs - as verified by the color code paint markings on both sets of springs.

[atari4x4]

ahhh sorry it was a cheap dig at steve & the "coil spring don't sag statement"

[Gwagensteve]

I reckon it was more of a dig at calamity's inability to design suspension.

[atari4x4]

sag is sag

[Gwagensteve]

Bound coils are bound coils....