[lump_a_charcoal]

appsie wrote:

learning to drive a stiff,wheel lifting zuk with no lockers will teach you alot hey.Will make you learn to pick lines,judge obstacles more etc and probably make a better driver of you.

Lump a charcoal....the deal til november 30 is the small compressor free with one locker and the larger one with inflation kit free with twins.Definately good buying

I know about the deal, I was suggesting getting a larger one simply becuause there is no point having two compressors in your car. See if you can pay the difference between a small and large one...

[appsie]

am i missing something? why will he have two?

[Junior_91]

lump_a_charcoal wrote:

I know about the deal, I was suggesting getting a larger one simply becuause there is no point having two compressors in your car. See if you can pay the difference between a small and large one...

Hey mate the deal is if you buy ONE locker you get the SMALL compressor free and if you buy TWO lockers you get the BIG compressor, inflation kit and puncture repair kit

[BJPK]

like everyone has said wheel it stock til you decide how much more capable you want or need it.
i wouldnt worry about gearing it unless you get bigger rubber. or driving it on the freeway etc will suck bigtime. as im pretty sure your only running on 215 75 15s?

[IN2DEP]

BJPK wrote:

like everyone has said wheel it stock til you decide how much more capable you want or need it.
i wouldnt worry about gearing it unless you get bigger rubber. or driving it on the freeway etc will suck bigtime. as im pretty sure your only running on 215 75 15s?

Thats right 215 75 15

When yous say gearing does that mean the gears in the transfer case or gear box ??

dont know so asking

[89_tintop]

IN2DEP wrote:

BJPK wrote:

like everyone has said wheel it stock til you decide how much more capable you want or need it.
i wouldnt worry about gearing it unless you get bigger rubber. or driving it on the freeway etc will suck bigtime. as im pretty sure your only running on 215 75 15s?

Thats right 215 75 15

When yous say gearing does that mean the gears in the transfer case or gear box ??

dont know so asking

tranfers gears mate

[IN2DEP]

BJPK wrote:

or driving it on the freeway etc will suck bigtime.

So why will it effect the free way drive then ?? wouldnt it only effect it when in 4WD ???

[303zuke]

89_tintop wrote:

IN2DEP wrote:

When yous say gearing does that mean the gears in the transfer case or gear box ??

dont know so asking

tranfers gears mate

Or possibly both the diff gears also/either. Buying a 2nd hand set of 4.625 or 5.125 diff centres could be cheaper than a set of new T/case gears. Diff gears will work to correct the size of the 32's in both Hi and Lo range by the same amount. Would be also a good time to fit any type of locker.

The real benefit in new T/case gears is not the overall reduction to offset the larger dia tyres, but the increase in the difference between Hi and Lo

[303zuke]

IN2DEP wrote:

BJPK wrote:

or driving it on the freeway etc will suck bigtime.

So why will it effect the free way drive then ?? wouldnt it only effect it when in 4WD ???

No, all the replacement T/case gear sets will also reduce your High range ratio between 12% and 17% depending on the particular set.

[Myles]

Theese Mini spools.. are they any good? why would ppl spend thousands on air lockers if those things do the same thing for $100...? they sound good lol

[Zachius]

Mini spools are permanently locked, the same as a welded diff. It affects on road handling in a bad way.

Air lockers allow you to choose when the diff is locked so you can leave it unlocked except for situations where you actually need it. An improvement but at a expensive cost.

@lump_a_charcoal: what is wrong with lockrite diff locks? I don't see the point in wasting a $1000 dollars extra per diff for no tangible increase in off road performance.

[Myles]

Ahhk.. I get it..

[joeblow]

Zachius wrote:

@lump_a_charcoal: what is wrong with lockrite diff locks? I don't see the point in wasting a $1000 dollars extra per diff for no tangible increase in off road performance.

i agree with lump......auto lockers a shite.

unless auto lockers are shimmed correctly they will behave badly, and this shimming will have to be done on a regular basis as the engaging mechanism needs the shims to be in good order. also, i know they are supposed to unlock around corners but only if you have no power applied if you do or even if you are down shifting they will stay locked. i got sick of pulling mine apart every six months or so to service it so i gave it the flick.

the performance increase in air lockers is that of less servicing and very predictable perfomance. if you are bouncing up a rocky hill in an auto locker the thing can and will unlock and lock, this will ultimately lead to spline damage and or axle shaft failure.

horses for courses really, but i don't use crap oil in my engine.....and i won't use inferior components in my diffs. been there done that.

[shep]

just to balance the argument out a bit. i have had a great run with the
lockrights that i have in my diffs
there is no doubt that air lockers are far superior to auto lockers
but when i was pricing my options it was(for me) $525 for 2 lockrights fitted and
just under 5 grand for the air lockers, the local ARB dealer is a dodgy bastard though and is also a TJM and OL dealer as well
so he has a monopoly on the market.

if i was living where i was using a SWB as a commuter i would probably go with an air
locker in the rear but i would still have a auto in the front.

when i stole the diffs out of my SWB and put them in my LWB i was
quite surprised at how the rear locker behaved differently, much less random stuff on the road.

actually to be honest, i always found it funny how my car did random stuff
on formed roads. but i never found it dangerous or unsettling, but i have owned
modded FJ40's

[Highway-Star]

My air locker is a good recovery tool
If I go 4wding by myself, I drive only unlocked. then if I get stuck, I get myself out with the airlocker.... I "diff lock it out"
I don't need a crummy winch.... ARB airlocker, its not a traction aid, its a recovery tool

So far, so good

[mcwilly]

That's exactly war I do. Also makes it good if your wheeling with different PPl of different skill levels. Lower skills drive unlocked highly skilled locked

[Zachius]

Have been driving on my auto lockers for the past 3-4 years and I have not had to touch the shimming yet. It has been my daily driver for the majority of that time. Have done 50,000km in that time.

I have broken a rear diff but that was probably more due to dropping the clutch a few too many times rather than having an auto locker. I have had the rear axles out multiple times and the splines look ok.

As for not unlocking. I don't have this problem mine do unlock around corners.

What brand auto lockers have you used?

Undoubtedly auto lockers are better overall, BUT for the price you don't get any further off road. And you are looking at a good 2K+ more for air lockers.

[steve]

mcwilly wrote:

Lower skills drive unlocked highly skilled locked

we tend to think that, but it actually takes quite a bit of skill to drive some stuff unlocked, and a lot of stuff is easy when locked so we get lazy and forget about how to pick lines.

orfcourse you can do more stuff when locked and stuff that no unlocked car could do.