[DarkHorse]

Hey all,

Need help from the Suzuki gods...

To get my car engineered (yes, I'm still trying... can't let go...) I need to try to establish that the stock SV620 running gear will be fine with the XL7 rims (offset being the main concern.) A convenient way to establish this would be to compare the dimensions of the wheel bearings, as this also indicates both the axle and diff tube or spindle sizes.

So, what I would love to find out is the ID, OD, and any other specs, front and rear, of the following: (the list is extensive because there seem to be a bunch of differing and contradictory spec sheets available)
1993 1.6 LWB SE416 Vitara
1997 2.0 LWB SV620 Vitara
1999 2.5 LWB SQ625 Grand Vitara
1999 2.7 LWB SQ627 Grand Vitara XL7

I have weaves on the hunt, but if anyone else can jump in that would be amazing.

[DarkHorse]

So far Googling has turned up an OEM Suzuki Sidekicks and Geo Trackers 1989 to 2000
Suzuki P/N: 09269-41001, TIMKEN P/N: 517009, AC-Delco P/N: FW176


Height 1 : 40 mm
Height 2 : 35 mm
Outer Diameter : 68 mm
Inner Diameter : 41 mm

BUT...

Did the bearing change when Vits went to 26 spline axles?
Changed again for ABS/unified hubs on GV/XL7? (Suzuki P/N: 43401-65D00???)

[DarkHorse]

Timken catalogue (US models):

93 Sidekick
F - 517009
R - 511004

97 Sidekick
F - 517009
R - 511004

99 GV
F - 517009
R - 511024

02 XL7 (earliest available)
F - 513193 (Hub assembly)
R - 511030

Can anyone turn these into dimensions? Change in part numbers for XL7 isn't promising...

[ozzycouch]

This site may pull up some answers
http://www.alliedbearings.com.au/datasheets/suzuki/seals-vehicles

[DarkHorse]

Got a reply from Greg at 4WD Products:


"The wheel bearing for the first three models is all the same being 41X68X40/35 (Suzuki OEM P/No. 09267-41001). I don't have the specific details on the XL7 wheel bearing as the wheel bearing is part of the hub (Suzuki OEM P/No. 43401-65D10).

[Zook_Fan]

DarkHorse wrote:

Timken catalogue (US models):

93 Sidekick
F - 517009
Same as below
R - 511004
Same as below

97 Sidekick
F - 517009
Same as below
R - 511004
Bore Diameter (in):1.378 in.

Outer Diameter (in):3.149 in.

Width (in):1.023 in.

99 GV
F - 517009
Bore Diameter (in):1.614 in.

Outer Diameter (in):2.677 in.

Width (in):1.574 in.

R - 511024
Bore Diameter (in):1.575 in.

Outer Diameter (in):3.150 in.

Width (in):0.906 in.


02 XL7 (earliest available)
F - 513193 (Hub assembly)


R - 511030
Bore Diameter (in):1.574 in

Outer Diameter (in):2.913 in.

Width (in):1.607 in.


Can anyone turn these into dimensions? Change in part numbers for XL7 isn't promising...

Can't do the hub assembly sorry.

Edit: Actually looked at the figures, it looks like you are out of luck with this avenue. That width difference is going to have a huge difference on torsional ability.

[DarkHorse]

Thanks ozzy,
Allied lists a single bearing kit for all 88-99 Vitara models without ABS:
Fr: 4037
Rr: 4051

GV 98-00
Fr: 4037
Rr: 4435
...and the same for the XL7 despite the unitised front hub...?

[DarkHorse]

Thanks Zook_Fan,
So all the Vitaras, 1.6 and 2L, front and rear used the same bearing??? Part numbers just different seals in the kits?

Then for the GV a bigger ID at both ends, so thicker axles... but a significantly smaller OD on the front countered by a much greater width. Rear pretty much the same...

Then the XL7 gets a much wider rear bearing but otherwise much the same.

Can I ask where you got those numbers from? Have to sort out the incongruity between sources now.

For the record if I can compare to an early GV that will be OK, I found a set of 16" alloys from a 98 V6 that are the same offset as my XL7 rims.

...there's no easy way to run GV hubs on an SV is there?

[atari4x4]

PM weaves? I have him on facey... not sure if he's still in the bearing game?

[DarkHorse]

Have done, he's on it. Been some help with part numbers but got to go digging for dimensions.

[Zook_Fan]

They were out of a giant Timken catalogue. Condition monitoring contractor brought it in yesterday but realised it was only imperial. Here is a link to a Timken metric/imperial catalogue: http://www.timken.com/en-us/products/Do ... _Guide.pdf

I'm only going by the part numbers you gave me, I didn't check your information to see if they were the same or not. Can't imagine the GV front hubs would be hard to install on the vit but I haven't done it so can't give guidance there.

[tanshi]

gv hubs and spindles should fit right on a vit. but you would have to get the spindles too as they don't fit on vit ones.

[DarkHorse]

Thanks guys...

ZF - from the link you posted:

Vit - 517009 - ID = 41, OD = 68, W = 35-40
- 511004 - ID = 35 OD = 80, W = 26

GV - 511024 No listing, but a Google gives the same dimensions, translated to Bore = 40mm OD = 80mm, W = 23mm

XL7 - 513193 - No listing
- 511030 - No listng, Google again agrees - Bore = 40mm OD = 74mm, W = 41mm



Tanshi - so GV spindles and hubs will bolt onto a Vit knuckle, giving me GV bearings... will I need GV CVs too, or is there a shim or something for that extra 1mm bore size?

[DarkHorse]

So based on all of that the engineer is happy with the front end, but not so much the back.

Can anyone tell me how the thicker rear axles on the GV (40mm) compare to the SV (35mm)? Is there any chance they taper down to the same size and spline count at the diff end? Are they the same arrangement at the wheel end? Are they even the same length???

Brakes have also been passed, so it's actually tantalisingly close to happening now...

[got_bar_work]

All 26 spline suzuki axles would be the same size at the spline to fit in the side gears

[got_bar_work]

Try and find the rated axle load capacity of the gv sv and cj7 front. Might be able to go to full floater at last resort. I have a gv axles here if u need measurments.

[got_bar_work]

I found 900kg front and 1060kg rear for a gv in the states.

[DarkHorse]

Thanks Luke... any info on Sidekick/Trakker to compare to?

[DarkHorse]

Some more info from here:
http://www.adelaidestreetcruisers.com.a ... eights.pdf (SA Govt)

These are Wheel Track, so stock offset rims and tyres:



Vit
Front 1395
Rear 1400

V6 Vit
Front 1465
Rear 1450

GV 98-01
Front 1500
Rear 1500

GV SWB 98-01
Front 1460
Rear 1460

[got_bar_work]

Found these on zukiworld might help . They were us ones but should be close

Gross axle weights
Sv front 800kg
Sv rear 960kg
Gv front 900kg
Gv rear 1060 kg
Xl7 front 1000kg
Xl7 rear 1300kg

[DarkHorse]

Cheers Luke. The more data I can throw at the engineer the better!

[got_bar_work]

If u use xl7 front hubs in a full floater u will be right.

Swb gv axle dimensions
Rhs bearing spacer to end of spline 656mm
Drum mating surface to spline 756
Lhs 610 and 710

[DarkHorse]

Luke you're all sorts of awesome.

Do you know if the stud pattern for the drums is the same as the SV? And the backing plate to housing bolts match the SV?

From the data above the SWB GV is all of 10mm wider than the SV in the rear... which would all be on account of the change from P25 to P10 offset... what are the chances these would be a straight swap???

[got_bar_work]

Isnt the bearings bigger on the gv
Are u in Sydney. Club meeting is Wednesday if u want to try them

[got_bar_work]

U might be able to drop the entire gv housing under if the arm mounts and coils line up

[DarkHorse]

Bearing OD apparently is the same.

I could probably make it Wednesday... but I won't have access to my car.

What are the chances of everything lining up? Will the disk kit bolt up?

[got_bar_work]

I will get a heap of measurments of the housing when i get home as well as the lwb housing

[DarkHorse]

If you could be bothered chucking one of the GV axles into the SV diff that would be awesome - that's the least painful potential solution that I can think of...

Otherwise thankyou so much!

[got_bar_work]

I only have a swb gv diff in pieces is your sv diff together .
The bearing has a spacer on the center side of it.Check with greg the sv one might be 6mm shorter. It makes sense for suzuki to use the same housing when they went to the new wide chassis

[got_bar_work]

Swb gv Outside of housing to outside outside of housing is 1370


Center of arm mounts 1115