[sideways]

Is there any combination of parts that will make the Chinasoong lockers fit in the LJ housings?

Mine is a LJ81 Stockman, to be honest I don't know much about the diffs or zook diffs for that matter. From what I understand it's 26 spline axles in the rear, 22 in the front. Will I be able to make that locker fit the carrier? Or will I need the Carrier from a 1.3? Will that even fit? I can machine stuff, weld ect and of course, will be doing all the work myself (as always, no mechanic has toched a car of mine!).

I'd quite like to put it in the front and an auto or MIG welder in the back but I know that would be impossible without custom axles, if indeed the front is 22 spline. If I do need custom axles, approx how much $$$?

Some how, I don't think I'm ever going to be able to afford this.

Thanks

Hayden

[Highway-Star]

I haven't looked at their website. But as I understand it they are all rips of ARB's correct? If so, the answer is essentially no.

LJ's use a 6.5" Suzuki diff which was then used in SJ410's. SJ413's use 7" Suzuki diffs. The crown wheels and hence centres are totally different sizes. I have suspicions on 2 possible air activated diff lock solutions, however both require the use of diff centres from other model vehicles...


For years the only solution if you actually wanted a locked diff was weld it or lockright. It now seems lockrights for these diffs are out of production, and getting one relies on a store somewhere having them in stock...


Custom made is the next logical step...

[sideways]

Highway-Star wrote:

I haven't looked at their website. But as I understand it they are all rips of ARB's correct? If so, the answer is essentially no.

LJ's use a 6.5" Suzuki diff which was then used in SJ410's. SJ413's use 7" Suzuki diffs. The crown wheels and hence centres are totally different sizes. I have suspicions on 2 possible air activated diff lock solutions, however both require the use of diff centres from other model vehicles...

For years the only solution if you actually wanted a locked diff was weld it or lockright. It now seems lockrights for these diffs are out of production, and getting one relies on a store somewhere having them in stock...

Custom made is the next logical step...

Thanks heaps mate!

I would seem we are rather limited in locker options for LJs, I'd really like a manual locker but it seems that they just don't exist.

[Highway-Star]

sideways wrote:

I would seem we are rather limited in locker options for LJs, I'd really like a manual locker but it seems that they just don't exist.

Very limited!
Allot of people would just diff swap in Sierra diffs (or even worse ). But I love the centred diffs! They are so dumb in many ways, but I don't care and only having to carry one spare axle shaft for each end of the car has logistical pluses!

They are remarkable vehicles unlocked. Sort out getting yours running and de-pop-riveted together, and drive it for a while unlocked; you may be pleasantly surprised and find you don't really need diff locks anyway (then you may find you do, if so worry about it later....lol).

[hooki]

maybe try and find a LSD for the rear?

[3cyl]

hooki wrote:

maybe try and find a LSD for the rear?

Haha goodluck, they're around, some guys run em. Tanshi got one, he's a master of finding stuff on the net though. I run Lockrights front and rear, only about $300 each from the US and at the door in 2 weeks. They are a compromise and like or loath them they work. I'd love airlockers but it defeats the purpose of a budget build and means building custom housings and less diff centre clearance. Most things are harder to do in an LJ (modifications not tracks) but that's the price you pay for being different.
Maybe it's time to develop a cable operated locker?

[sideways]

Highway-Star wrote:

sideways wrote:

I would seem we are rather limited in locker options for LJs, I'd really like a manual locker but it seems that they just don't exist.

Very limited!
Allot of people would just diff swap in Sierra diffs (or even worse ). But I love the centred diffs! They are so dumb in many ways, but I don't care and only having to carry one spare axle shaft for each end of the car has logistical pluses!

They are remarkable vehicles unlocked. Sort out getting yours running and de-pop-riveted together, and drive it for a while unlocked; you may be pleasantly surprised and find you don't really need diff locks anyway (then you may find you do, if so worry about it later....lol).

It's not an LJ if it doesn't have LJ diffs.

I certainly do aim to just get it running first, lockers are very much a one day kinda thing.

If you guys keep on talking up LJs before I get to drive mine I'm going to start thinking it's a 4X4 incarnation of god.

hooki wrote:

maybe try and find a LSD for the rear?

What's the story behind the LSDs? Were they a factory option or an after market thing or what? I've searched for them but never found anything useful.

3cyl wrote:

hooki wrote:

maybe try and find a LSD for the rear?

Haha goodluck, they're around, some guys run em. Tanshi got one, he's a master of finding stuff on the net though. I run Lockrights front and rear, only about $300 each from the US and at the door in 2 weeks. They are a compromise and like or loath them they work. I'd love airlockers but it defeats the purpose of a budget build and means building custom housings and less diff centre clearance. Most things are harder to do in an LJ (modifications not tracks) but that's the price you pay for being different.
Maybe it's time to develop a cable operated locker?

As mentioned, the problem with Lockrights is finding them, how dare those inconsiderate companies stop making unprofitable parts! Cable operated locker? Sounds like you have a plan.

Thanks

Hayden

[tanshi]

Suzuki carrys had LSDs, also possibly 1 litre sierras aswell. i believe this is where they are sourced from

[2stroker]

tanshi wrote:

Suzuki carrys had LSDs, also possibly 1 litre sierras aswell. i believe this is where they are sourced from

and some have cable operated diff locks, but it is like finding hens with teeth.

[Fity]

Highway-Star wrote:

LJ's use a 6.5" Suzuki diff which was then used in SJ410's. SJ413's use 7" Suzuki diffs. The crown wheels and hence centres are totally different sizes. I have suspicions on 2 possible air activated diff lock solutions, however both require the use of diff centres from other model vehicles...

I thought the Coily and some Jimnys had a 6.5" front diff (high pinion) and a 22 spline axle? I have seen air lockers fitted in the front of coilys.

[Highway-Star]

Fity wrote:

Highway-Star wrote:

LJ's use a 6.5" Suzuki diff which was then used in SJ410's. SJ413's use 7" Suzuki diffs. The crown wheels and hence centres are totally different sizes. I have suspicions on 2 possible air activated diff lock solutions, however both require the use of diff centres from other model vehicles...

I thought the Coily and some Jimnys had a 6.5" front diff (high pinion) and a 22 spline axle? I have seen air lockers fitted in the front of coilys.

I don't know all the details, but from the limited info I have gathered, the coily is a high pinion, but still 7". Whilst the Jimny is a 6.5" high pinion, but with a crown wheel ID the same as the 7" diff. Or something to that effect.... An entire high pinion Jimny centre is a possibility, but your stuck with parts from a poofta car with very limiting ratios, and questionable strength issues of a high pinion in the back

[Fity]

I was thinking maybe (Big maybe) a RD87 (8 bolt Jimny front) could be suitable? Are there 8 bolts on an LJ crownwheel? When fitting an airlocker (Not sure what locker is used) to a coily spacers are needed for the bearings I think.

[Highway-Star]

Fity wrote:

I was thinking maybe (Big maybe) a RD87 (8 bolt Jimny front) could be suitable? Are there 8 bolts on an LJ crownwheel? When fitting an airlocker (Not sure what locker is used) to a coily spacers are needed for the bearings I think.

10 bolts on an LJ crown wheel. 10 bolt Jimnys exist also. But as I understand things they won't fit, as the ID on the LJ crown wheel is smaller than the ID on an SN crown wheel.

You can get Greek made Air lockers for Lada Nivas which are 6.5", and 26 spline, but they are 8 bolt. I am not totally sure on all the critical dimensions either

[Fity]

Highway-Star wrote:

You can get Greek made Air lockers for Lada Nivas which are 6.5"

Lada Niva.....I can live with open diffs. They make lockers for vehicles which ARB don't. http://www.protrack.gr/

Anyone got a 10 bolt front Jimny crown wheel they can measure the ID on?

[sideways]

I friend of mine has a Niva sitting upside down in his paddock, I might ask him if I can nick the diff and compare them.

[sideways]

So I just signed up to the Australian Lada Niva forum (yes, seriously, it exists). I instantly got an email from nissan_patrol2006@hotmail.com saying "Welcome to "australian lada niva forum"?".

I'l ask about the dimensions of the diffs when they activate my account.

[Fity]

I guess you need something big to tow the Lada home with.