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Author:  Verm1n [ Tue May 04, 2010 7:36 am ]
Post subject:  crankshafts?? g16a -g16b
just looking to confirm the crankshafts are EXACTLY THE SAME..
i have 2 engines vitara 1.6 carby 8v n' a vitara 1.6 efi 16v..
can anyone tell me if i can swap them around??

and i've been told they are a non-interference motor??
can someone confirm that also??

as i don't wanna pull the complete engine apart to get
the crankshaft out to find they are different
Author:  Rusho [ Tue May 04, 2010 7:43 am ]
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Don't know about the crank. 99% sure they are a non-interference engine
Author:  Verm1n [ Tue May 04, 2010 7:47 am ]
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thanks Rusho81 :)

anyone bout the crankshafts??
Author:  steak_knife [ Tue May 04, 2010 8:35 am ]
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Verm1n wrote:
just looking to confirm the crankshafts are EXACTLY THE SAME..i have 2 engines vitara 1.6 carby 8v n' a vitara 1.6 efi 16v..
can anyone tell me if i can swap them around??

and i've been told they are a non-interference motor??
can someone confirm that also??

as i don't wanna pull the complete engine apart to get
the crankshaft out to find they are different


No crank is, some one could of forgoten to clean the cuttin tip on the day your crank was made.

Micrometer's will soon tell you how close thay are tho. So pulling apart you will have to do.
Author:  Highway-Star [ Tue May 04, 2010 9:34 am ]
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WRT crank. The parts catalogue seems to list the same part number for both 8 valve and 16 valve SE416's. SQ416 GV's (like the G16 in my Sierra) are also the same, as are SY416 Baleno G16's.
Some of the "Santana" model SE416's score a different part number though :?

part number is: 12221-71C00
Author:  Verm1n [ Tue May 04, 2010 9:38 am ]
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cheers and thanks for the help guys :)
will let u's know on how it goes n' i come across any probs..
Author:  losfer [ Wed May 05, 2010 8:22 am ]
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from model series SE416-4 and onwards (even E24 spec , non santana), the crankshafts were different from the 2 - 4 valve engines , although they would interchange between engines. the only difference is that some of the cranks in the later model g16b's are fully counterbalanced.

from my manuals and the gates timing belt websites , all the 16 valves engines in the baleno and vitara etc are INTERFERENCE , the 8 valve engines are non interference.
Author:  jonno_racing [ Wed May 05, 2010 9:08 am ]
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they are diffrent.
Author:  Highway-Star [ Wed May 05, 2010 9:31 am ]
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Thats interesting... wonder if I am misreading the parts catalogue :?

Verm1n, listen to these guys before you listen to me, my parts catalogue could be dodgey, sorry...
Still if your up for pulling them apart and measuring, I got some digital callipers you can borrow to measure them with if you want.
Author:  losfer [ Wed May 05, 2010 9:49 am ]
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just to clarify , there is no difference in the stroke or the main and big end journal sizes , and the cranks are totally interchangeable between the engines , but there are 2 different cranks.

the later G16B crank is marginally stronger and better balanced , but it is also heavier .
Author:  Highway-Star [ Wed May 05, 2010 9:59 am ]
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losfer wrote:
just to clarify , there is no difference in the stroke or the main and big end journal sizes , and the cranks are totally interchangeable between the engines , but there are 2 different cranks.

the later G16B crank is marginally stronger and better balanced , but it is also heavier .



So maybe the later crank superceded the earlier one in production, hence no old crank part no. is used?

I imagine a G16 EFI 16 valve motor with the G13 flywheel, and a lighter crank would really rev up easily then 8O :P
Author:  want33s [ Wed May 05, 2010 10:54 am ]
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G16B is not interference... well mine isn't anyway.....
I have turned it over several times without the timing belt fitted and with the cam in several different positions.... :? 8O :?
Author:  losfer [ Wed May 05, 2010 11:29 am ]
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from the gates website:

1994 Suzuki Sidekick 4-Cyl. 1.6 L
Application Product Type Part # Comments
Belt Drive System

Front End Accessory Drive Components

Fan & Alt.
Automotive V-Ribbed Belt (Standard) K040315
P.S.; W/O A.C.
Automotive V-Ribbed Belt (Standard) K040320
P.S. & A.C.
Automotive V-Ribbed Belt (Standard) K040365
A.C.; W/O P.S.; 2-Door
Automotive V-Ribbed Belt (Standard) K040325
A.C.; 4-Door
Automotive V-Ribbed Belt (Standard) K040365
Timing Belts & Components

Timing Component Kit; W/8-Valve Eng.
Timing Belt Component Kit W/Seals TCK164P
Timing Belt Component Kit TCK164
Timing Component Kit; W/16-Valve Eng.
Timing Belt Component Kit TCK212 Interference engine application
Cam. Belt; W/8-Valve Eng.
Automotive Timing Belt T164
Cam. Belt; W/16-Valve Eng.
Automotive Timing Belt T212 Interference engine application
Cam. Tensioner Assy.; W/8-Valve Eng.
Timing Belt Tensioner T41064
Cam. Tensioner Assy.; W/16-Valve Eng.
Timing Belt Tensioner T41065 Interference engine application
Cam. Seal
Timing Component Seal KS12724 Interference engine application
Crankshaft Seal
Timing Component Seal KS12724 Interference engine application
Author:  losfer [ Wed May 05, 2010 11:37 am ]
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from the manual:

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Author:  losfer [ Wed May 05, 2010 11:46 am ]
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Highway-Star wrote:
losfer wrote:
just to clarify , there is no difference in the stroke or the main and big end journal sizes , and the cranks are totally interchangeable between the engines , but there are 2 different cranks.

the later G16B crank is marginally stronger and better balanced , but it is also heavier .



So maybe the later crank superceded the earlier one in production, hence no old crank part no. is used?

I imagine a G16 EFI 16 valve motor with the G13 flywheel, and a lighter crank would really rev up easily then 8O :P


ahh yes , i can see now , i have looked it up myself and it is only showing the later part number, but there is indeed 2 different cranks .
Author:  want33s [ Wed May 05, 2010 12:46 pm ]
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losfer wrote:
from the manual:...........


Yep I've read that too but I have turned mine over several times with the cam in different positions and had NO interference between valves and pistons. :?
Author:  Zachius [ Wed May 05, 2010 1:22 pm ]
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It is a general warning in all manuals I would suspect.

Don't quote my on that one though :?
Author:  dmould66 [ Thu May 06, 2010 4:18 am ]
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take your timing belt of and turn it over repeatedly, put the belt back on a see if it starts. if if wont start youve probably done expensive damage. let us know what happens :oops!: :oops!:
Author:  Verm1n [ Fri May 07, 2010 9:13 am ]
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nice one dmould66.. :) not willing to try it :S
as for the cranks... went nice... put the g16a crank into the g16b
aok :) fit like a dream.. just after a new crank sprocket now as mine is rooted
Author:  Verm1n [ Fri May 07, 2010 10:09 am ]
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here is my crankshaft n sprocket :) well the old one anywayz
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