Jccck wrote:
It can't be worse than this bloody 4K engine right?
Not sure about that...
505 SR had 74kw and 160Nm. Torque is very good @3000rpm, but the extra weight of it AND its gearbox will be insane!!
Big and heavy motor swap there.
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| Author: | Jccck [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Turbo Diesel Swap? |
Well you already know i'm insane.. So i'm just putting this out there lol You can't put a heavy engine into a Zook right? But i still want a bit more power and low-end Here is a 1983 Peugeot.. 5speed, rwd, 2.4L turbo diesel I could no doubt flog the tyres off and sell the bulk of it for scrap.. And the engine+box wouldn't cost me more than a couple hundred I'd do a Vit engine swap, but yeah.. Not gonna happen without more funds http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/pri ... ne=&N=&Ns= It can't be worse than this bloody 4K engine right? |
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| Author: | Fatzook [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
Jccck wrote: It can't be worse than this bloody 4K engine right?
Not sure about that... 505 SR had 74kw and 160Nm. Torque is very good @3000rpm, but the extra weight of it AND its gearbox will be insane!! Big and heavy motor swap there.
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| Author: | Jccck [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
Fatzook wrote: Jccck wrote: It can't be worse than this bloody 4K engine right? Not sure about that... 505 SR had 74kw and 160Nm. Torque is very good @3000rpm, but the extra weight of it AND its gearbox will be insane!! Big and heavy motor swap there. I thought it would've been reasonably light.. Meh Guess i'll have to rob a bank and do the 1.6 EFI swap.. Sigh OR! I have a Turbo'd 1.3L Escort Cosworth Lotus engine+manual box in the shed But maybe i'm dreaming again I'll just turbo the bloody 4K.. |
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| Author: | Fatzook [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
Most of the new gen CRDI engines are light, but mid 80's will be a massive cast iron lump of shit. Even the euros. They usually have thicker castings too, AND cast steel heads for the higher compression. A new CRDI golf GTI motor would be ace!! Just don't ask how much 
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| Author: | Jccck [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
Fatzook wrote: Most of the new gen CRDI engines are light, but mid 80's will be a massive cast iron lump of shit. Even the euros. They usually have thicker castings too, AND cast steel heads for the higher compression.
A new CRDI golf GTI motor would be ace!! Just don't ask how much Haha, i won't ask 
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| Author: | Brett [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
put a turbo on your 1.3, you will be shocked at how well they go with one. |
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| Author: | 31zook [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
back in te day was a dude who use to run one of these SPOA and 33s with no gearing and sit on 110 all day... ill be welding up his second turbo manifold soon ;D |
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| Author: | want33s [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
Jccck wrote: I have a Turbo'd 1.3L Escort Cosworth Lotus engine+manual box in the shed
It is either Cosworth OR Lotus.... Can't be both.. |
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| Author: | ZookiMonsta [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
want33s wrote: Jccck wrote: I have a Turbo'd 1.3L Escort Cosworth Lotus engine+manual box in the shed It is either Cosworth OR Lotus.... Can't be both.. Yes it can, he's INSANE... remember?  
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| Author: | redzook91 [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
maybe he means the 1.3 cosworth engine from a lotus 7? I think they made those didn't they? |
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| Author: | Jccck [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
It's a 1.3L Turbo Lotus engine FROM a Cosworth.. Atleast to the best of my knowledge, we have the Escort sitting in the shed.. And the motor was going to be swapped in And i'll be running mine SPOA on 33's.. But i'll pick up 5.28:1 R+P gears You say turbo the 4K? Too much work.. I'd swap the 1.6 EFI in for less $ most likely |
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| Author: | stockman [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
Did lotus even do 1.3's? I thought the all the cosworths had 2l or 2.4l donks. My dad has had a few cosworth escorts and sierras and they have all been 2l |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
mmmmm early lotus fords.... always wanted a twin cam for my mk1 cortina can i please have a photo? |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
oxygenthief wrote: Did lotus even do 1.3's?
I thought the all the cosworths had 2l or 2.4l donks. My dad has had a few cosworth escorts and sierras and they have all been 2l the BDA cosworth escorts came out in 1.8 & the lotus twin cam in the mk1 cortina was a 1.5 & then 1.6 in the mk1 escort |
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| Author: | weaves [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
if you can push your diff right foward to keep the weight behind the wheels it wouldn't be a bad swap. But this is comming from someone who bought a 3.5 rover V8 + gbox and transfer to put in a zook (unregisted of course). weaves. |
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| Author: | Gwagensteve [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
I can't see a (big) problem with a rover V8 as a silly swap into a sierra, especially as they come with one of the best autos ever (4 speed ZF) are injected and make lots of lovely low end torque. Even the transfer is nicely designed and geared for use in a sierra. I think the key with diesels in sierras is that they have to become a totally different sort of car. Taller geared and with less punch offroad due to the lower rev limit - which works against the light weight and agility of the sierra. Steve. PS what on earth is a 1.3 Escort Lotus Cosworth? |
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| Author: | eldo [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
does the esky have a set of honda tail lights in her yet? |
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| Author: | 31zook [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
yes it will be fun hey weaves 
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| Author: | 303zuke [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
weaves wrote: But this is comming from someone who bought a 3.5 rover V8 to put in a zook. weaves. Gwagensteve wrote: I can't see a problem with a rover V8, especially as they .. are injected
The 3.5 Rover has twin SU carbies. It's the 3.9 and later that had EFi. |
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| Author: | Brenno [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
303zuke wrote: weaves wrote: But this is comming from someone who bought a 3.5 rover V8 to put in a zook. weaves. Gwagensteve wrote: I can't see a problem with a rover V8, especially as they .. are injected The 3.5 Rover has twin SU carbies. It's the 3.9 and later that had EFi. Not always my friend, we had a 93 3.5 efi v8 Disco (original) |
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| Author: | SuziBlu [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
Brenno wrote: 303zuke wrote: weaves wrote: But this is comming from someone who bought a 3.5 rover V8 to put in a zook. weaves. Gwagensteve wrote: I can't see a problem with a rover V8, especially as they .. are injected The 3.5 Rover has twin SU carbies. It's the 3.9 and later that had EFi. Not always my friend, we had a 93 3.5 efi v8 Disco (original) Discos and Rovers are different, far as I know, rover 3.5s were all carbs. |
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| Author: | weaves [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
According to the compliance plate on my desk it was a 5/87 Range Rover EFI 3.5L. its the very first model to be injected, it was a fuck of a setup with a carby tank, external fuel pump sitting inside the drivers side chassis rail, had nothing but problems with the fueling, it was one of the big reasons it was parted out. My mate also had a 86 model 3.5 but it was carby. |
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| Author: | SuziBlu [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
Yea I had the 86, bonza 4wd, but a bit like the 1.3l, gutless unless it was screaming its tits off, then it was awsome. Weaves, do you know what the motion activated level control was called, it was connected to the rear diff, sort of midships, worked a treat. Be grouse to get one fitted to a sierra, if it could be a quick disconnect. |
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| Author: | Jccck [ Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
weaves wrote: According to the compliance plate on my desk it was a 5/87 Range Rover EFI 3.5L.
its the very first model to be injected, it was a fuck of a setup with a carby tank, external fuel pump sitting inside the drivers side chassis rail, had nothing but problems with the fueling, it was one of the big reasons it was parted out. My mate also had a 86 model 3.5 but it was carby. Friend of mine has the EFI 3.5L V8 in his '85 Rangie.. The sound is beautiful hey, and damn does it have some power No Accord taillights yet Eldo, but i'll see what i can do |
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| Author: | weaves [ Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
SuziBlu wrote: Weaves, do you know what the motion activated level control was called, it was connected to the rear diff, sort of midships, worked a treat.
. I've been mulling this over my lunch break, even went to our other shed to look at the diff housings i have there and i cannot work out what your talking about. I haven't spent much time around rangies so it's going to be something i dont know about, but looking at all the brackets on the diff the only things i can work out that attach to the diff are 2 x trailing arms 2 x spring plates 1 x driveshaft 2 x shocks 1 x A-arm with rose joint <<<-- is this what your meaning? has a big swivel ball on top of it? weaves |
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| Author: | SuziBlu [ Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
weaves wrote: SuziBlu wrote: Weaves, do you know what the motion activated level control was called, it was connected to the rear diff, sort of midships, worked a treat. . I've been mulling this over my lunch break, even went to our other shed to look at the diff housings i have there and i cannot work out what your talking about. 1 x A-arm with rose joint <<<-- is this what your meaning? has a big swivel ball on top of it? weaves Mate, that sounds like it, when you are turning hard, and the ole girl lays over heavy, flatten it, and quite quickly it will claw up level again, qalso load up the back, and it would, when under way, lift the car level fore and aft, so both thwart ship and fore and aft level ride, cool as. The one I had years ago, I'm pretty sure, was an 86, red one if that helps hehe. |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
it's the boge self leveling system that was found on early hang overs, from memory it was a 5th shock absorber mounted in the rear A frame somewhere/somehow. |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
sorry about this going way off topic but here is a diagram of the hang over rear suspension 
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| Author: | SuziBlu [ Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
Thats it, wonder if it could be adapted to fit a zook, I remember well how it worked and thought it was the duks guts. The one I had had The Ultimate Suspension, haven't heard of them in donkeys years, but they were early after market, prolly one of, or the first of its kind. I thought the level ride was a stock item, iron man hey. Thanks mate. |
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| Author: | Zachius [ Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Turbo Diesel Swap? |
Yeah the VW diesels would be the pick of the bunch. I used to dream about putting a 1.9 TD in a sierra but it is a fair bit of work by the time your source a motor (here in Aus they are not that common), work out a gearbox and then sort out the gearing so you can actually get to 100
This is a fairly common conversion in the US from what I can workout. Another option would be a 1.8 Gemini diesel, from memory I think there have been a couple done, but I don't see the benefit as that motor is very old. Another option would be a 2l TD out of something like a hiace van but once again I don't really see the benefit over the far simpler, cheaper and easier 1.6 EFI G16B swap. As for RR suspension... there are 2 RR's sitting on my dad's property... I am starting to think more and more that their diffs need a new home. |
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