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Author:  Chopz [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:49 am ]
Post subject:  ARB bars
Does anyone have any pics of the mounting points for the ARB bars?

I'm thinking of getting one down the track, however I'm gonna be fitting 31's in the next couple of months and will need to trim up the current bumper brackets, just wanna make sure I aint cutting off too much, or anything that the ARB bars need for mounting..

Also interested to know what people paid for there's if anyone has bought one up recently.
Author:  Ben_Sierra [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ARB bars
AFAIK they mount on the chassis rails, not the bumper outriggers. So you can cut the whole tube with the bumper mounts on the end right off at the chassis rail.

I'm sure someone can confirm?
Author:  Joe [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ARB bars
They mount to the chassis rails and the outriggers but you can still cut the outriggers off ive seen heaps of people do it
Author:  Gwagensteve [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:51 am ]
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joseph wrote:
They mount to the chassis rails and the outriggers but you can still cut the outriggers off ive seen heaps of people do it


Yep you can, (and I have done this) but then the bar is just cosmetic and won't take a hit worth a damn. Mines floppy as hell.

Just because you have seen heaps of people do it doesn't make it a good idea.

The whole ARB mounting system needs rethinking (that's code for "chassis welding involved") once the outriggers come off if you expect the bull bar to bea bull bar and not just a pretty and expensive way of mounting a CB aerial and some lights.

My ARB bar is neither so it's a pretty and expensive way of mounting the indicators.


Steve.
Author:  Joe [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:53 am ]
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Haha yeah i thought this would be the case...
Author:  Chopz [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:51 pm ]
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yeah i thought as much...

are they worth what they cost in anyones opinion?...or would i be better off looking for a cheaper option or not having one at all. Just need to find a way of mounting the indicators if i run no bar at all
Author:  Fatzook [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: ARB bars
Chopz wrote:
yeah i thought as much...

are they worth what they cost in anyones opinion?...or would i be better off looking for a cheaper option or not having one at all. Just need to find a way of mounting the indicators if i run no bar at all


Like steve said,

They are a great looking product, but more thought is needed with regards to mounting. I think if they sorted the mounting, then yes, they would be worth it.
Author:  squirezook [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: ARB bars
Whoever mounted the one on my drover did a reasonable job. Has crush tubes in the chassis, 2 bolts each rail. Don't know how it would go taking a hit on the corner.
Author:  shep [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:53 pm ]
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Arb bars are made from plasticine, if you want a strong bar ya need to make it
Author:  BUZOOKA [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:08 pm ]
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wat shep said
Author:  Zachius [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:45 am ]
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.......

Ok this who tread is confusing me. I have a 2 inch body lift and the ARB bullbar mounting has been modified to suit.

By outriggers you mean the tube crossmember that extends to the width of the body (that is typically the first thing cutoff when fiiting big tyres)?

My ARB bullbar has survived various encounters and done a great job but as I said the mounting has been modified to suit a 2" bodylift so I am not sure how it differs from standard.
Author:  Chopz [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ARB bars
well with all that said i don't think i'll be wasting my hard earned on one of them. any ideas on where to mount the number plate and indicators when i get rid of the bumper then?
Author:  joeblow [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ARB bars
when cutting the outriggers off the vehicle it has allways been a known fact that the chassis mounts must be reinforced, this not a new thing. and it will actually not need a great deal of fabbing. many of us run just the main chassis points maybe with one extra bolt per side and have not had any problems including impact related stuff. winch bar pans are thicker than non winch pans, remember this if buying a second hand unit.
Author:  Ben_Sierra [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:29 am ]
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If you wanna keeo it legal and keep the cops away you'll need a bumper of some sort.

If you aren't worried about legal and cop free, just ditch the plate and lights...
Author:  TryHard [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ARB bars
yer do this lol but a cleaner job :) i pulled mine of with a snach strap and it came up quite nicely thought i kinda want a winch bar of some sorts now and some indercator's

...as u can see on mine bar i did do this by mistake it has no tube going across the hole front ..what happend i have 31s on atm and it used to rub ..atm i have a 2 ich lift on my car ..and will prob do a 50 mil body lift to stop the rubing why and allow more flew cos atm my wheels still rub a little when flex ..but now i cant lock my stearing right up with no probs befor i couldnt ,
Author:  TryHard [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:27 am ]
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Chopz why dont u have a look at a few eg heres some i like and prob cheaper and stronger then a arb bar
Author:  Gwagensteve [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ARB bars
shep wrote:
Arb bars are made from plasticine, if you want a strong bar ya need to make it


That's ridiculous Shep.

ARB bars are designed to be appropriately strong for the vehicle they are bolted to. Fitted correctly, they are very strong. Like anything, they aren't indestructible, but the key issue is that lots of them get modded for body lifts and the outriggers removed. Under these circumstances the weak point is the chassis lots more leverage than ARB intended can be applied to the chassis mounts.

If it possible to make a stronger bar than an ARB? sure. A stronger bar will just transfer the force somewhere else though, and sierra chassis aren't the strongest. I'd rather have a bent bullbar than a bent chassis.

I'm confident the ARB bar has close to the highest strength to weight ratio achievable with normal materials.

Steve.
Author:  TryHard [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:35 am ]
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Zachius wrote:
.......

Ok this who tread is confusing me. I have a 2 inch body lift and the ARB bullbar mounting has been modified to suit.

By outriggers you mean the tube crossmember that extends to the width of the body (that is typically the first thing cutoff when fiiting big tyres)?

My ARB bullbar has survived various encounters and done a great job but as I said the mounting has been modified to suit a 2" bodylift so I am not sure how it differs from standard.


ok u say ur arb bar has survived various encounters ...but u dont know what he wants his for if its any rockcrawling or raming solid brick walls i wouldnt go with a arb bar my grandad has done the trips all over aust with his arb winch bar on his 100 land cruser his does have a big crack in it and it does protect the front well from kangaroos etc but it all depends what he wants to use his car for it could be a pain in the ass and bugger his aproch angle
Author:  TryHard [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ARB bars
Chopz wrote:
well with all that said i don't think i'll be wasting my hard earned on one of them. any ideas on where to mount the number plate and indicators when i get rid of the bumper then?


u could mount ur plate like i have its a temp job though ..o here is also a link
http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/suzuki/s ... mpers.html
Author:  Gwagensteve [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ARB bars
TryHard wrote:
it all depends what he wants to use his car for it could be a pain in the ass and bugger his aproch angle


Wow - I can't imagine the hektic stuff you'd be driving if THIS was "buggering up your approach angle"

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Seriously, the thread is massively confusing.

ARB bars are very expensive. If you can't justify the cost, don't buy one ( or do what we do and scrounge second hand ones)

They are a high quality item. You get what you pay for.

Steve.
Author:  Fatzook [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:01 am ]
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Gwagensteve wrote:

I'm confident the ARB bar has close to the highest strength to weight ratio achievable with normal materials.

Steve.


Not for long :wink:
Author:  BJPK [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ARB bars
TryHard wrote:
Zachius wrote:
.......

Ok this who tread is confusing me. I have a 2 inch body lift and the ARB bullbar mounting has been modified to suit.

By outriggers you mean the tube crossmember that extends to the width of the body (that is typically the first thing cutoff when fiiting big tyres)?

My ARB bullbar has survived various encounters and done a great job but as I said the mounting has been modified to suit a 2" bodylift so I am not sure how it differs from standard.


ok u say ur arb bar has survived various encounters ...but u dont know what he wants his for if its any rockcrawling or raming solid brick walls i wouldnt go with a arb bar my grandad has done the trips all over aust with his arb winch bar on his 100 land cruser his does have a big crack in it and it does protect the front well from kangaroos etc but it all depends what he wants to use his car for it could be a pain in the ass and bugger his aproch angle

fuck im getting sick and tired of the kids that get on here and just dribble shit!
Author:  TryHard [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:45 am ]
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eh w/e i wont bother saying anything
Author:  Fatzook [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ARB bars
TryHard wrote:
eh w/e i wont bother saying anything


Don't worry champ. He's probably a blues supporter :D
Author:  bogfrog [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ARB bars
Pretty sure I've put this on here before but here ya's go again this is how we modified my ARB bar to suit 2" Body lift.

Where to cut Standard Mounts
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Modified Bracket for 2" BL
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When we cut off my outriggers we welded a 6mm plate with a 1/2" captive nut in the end of the remaining tube and made another bracket that picks up there and is welded to the bar itself!
sorry no pics. :(

Hope this helps Robb.
Author:  Chopz [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ARB bars
Basically what it comes down to for me is I dont wanna fork out a huge amount of money on a new ARB bar if its not suitable for what i'm after.

Trying to find a second hand ARB bar to suit a sierra in Perth would be as much good as an inflatable dart board, even trying find a decent sierra is a task. Parts in Perth are very hard to find cheap.

I just wanted something to offer a bit more protection than the bumper, doesnt effect my approach angle, to fit some spots, and wouldnt rub on the bigger tyres when i fit them. it doesnt need to be a winch bar either.

They certainly do look great when fitted, just wanted to see what the thoughts were on them, as i have no skills or the tools to fab something up myself.
Author:  TryHard [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:18 am ]
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ok no prob :)
Author:  lee88 [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ARB bars
Chopz wrote:
Basically what it comes down to for me is I dont wanna fork out a huge amount of money on a new ARB bar if its not suitable for what i'm after.

Trying to find a second hand ARB bar to suit a sierra in Perth would be as much good as an inflatable dart board, even trying find a decent sierra is a task. Parts in Perth are very hard to find cheap.

I just wanted something to offer a bit more protection than the bumper, doesnt effect my approach angle, to fit some spots, and wouldnt rub on the bigger tyres when i fit them. it doesnt need to be a winch bar either.

They certainly do look great when fitted, just wanted to see what the thoughts were on them, as i have no skills or the tools to fab something up myself.


Ur not wrong there!
I ended up with a Vitara.. XD
ARB bars are extremely expensive.. which is why i got no bullbar yet
but i agree they look awsome once fitted.
just dont hit any trees til u get one and u should be fine haha :)

//Lee
Author:  ajsr [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:31 am ]
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in the early days
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dont know about you guys but I think the aproach angle is pretty good on an arb bar
and personally I've found them to pretty tough as well
ps mine clears 34's
Author:  Chopz [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:36 am ]
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Yeah I certainly dont doubt they affect approach angle.

It does also look like your has had some welding...something i dont have the skills for :cry:
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