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Author:  colesy123 [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:31 am ]
Post subject:  Frong Wheel Bearings, Swivel Hub Seals and Kingpins
Hey Guys

Just had the piglet in at the mechanics for a full look over. Got a 'to-do' list back from them and it includes 'need to replace: front wheel bearings, swivel hub seals, kigpins..'

Was wondering how difficult this would be to do myself - dont have a huge amount of experience but happy to give it a shot - its for a 91 sierra swb

I found this kit on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... K:MEWAX:IT - is it what i need? If so i am going to save a packet 9is there anything else I will need?) Funds are tight at the moment and splashing $400 labour = $200+ for parts through the mechanic is not a pretty option.

Any help with do's and dont's would be much appreciated

cheers

colesy
Author:  dank [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:00 am ]
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My guess is that kit would be imported from a maruti parts supplier in India to the Suzuki Specialist. Only concern would be that the bearings may be Indian produced. From all reports the Indian bearing manufacturers aren't up to spec with any of the Japanese bearings like Timken, Koyo etc. Zooks are a light vehicle so its possible the bearings may get you by for a number of years of solid service though.

In saying that there are probably a million marutis flying around india that are running on these bearings with no problems and little to no maintenance, so they might be tough as nails! who knows!

I recently did my front wheel bearings and paid around $50 for a pair of japanese bearings.
Author:  colesy123 [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:04 am ]
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Thanks Dank - hadnt thought about them possibly being indian made!!

How much work was involved with you doing the bearings? How many hours did it take?

cheers

colesy
Author:  atari4x4 [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:07 am ]
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i think weaves might be able to put a kit together as he's in the bearing game... maybe smash him a PM.

http://auszookers.com/index.php?name=Yo ... rofile=377
Author:  BUZOOKA [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:19 am ]
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weaves can do u a kit but the kit does not have wheel bearings in them
Author:  Fatzook [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:29 am ]
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colesy123 wrote:

How much work was involved with you doing the bearings? How many hours did it take?

cheers

colesy


basic hand tools are needed. Only tricky thing is the hub nuts, which are 50-51mm, so if you don't have a pipe socket, then you will have to use a chisel and hammer to loosen/ tighten. Otherwise you just need a good quality multi purpose grease for the CV, knuckle housing, and a good quality high temp bearing grease for king pins and wheel bearings. I use marine grade greases wherever I can as they resist water and moisture a bit better than others.

Just remember to clean every part thoroughly before re-assembly.

Including cleaning and re-assembly It takes me about 1hr 45 per side. so you should be able to do it in one day.
Author:  weaves [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:27 am ]
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dank wrote:

I recently did my front wheel bearings and paid around $50 for a pair of japanese bearings.


when you say pair, do you mean a side? because if you pay $50 for two sides that cheaper than i pay from the manufacturer.

weaves..

and PM replied to.
Author:  royce [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:06 am ]
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you need a spring scale to do it correctly as well, if you get hold of the factory manual it details how to do it very well
Author:  Fatzook [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:15 am ]
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royce wrote:
you need a spring scale to do it correctly as well, if you get hold of the factory manual it details how to do it very well


Fish scale? :D
Author:  Bruce [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:20 am ]
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Yep Fish scales Peter. :-)
I steal Royces when I (well Royce does it lol) need them.
Author:  Fatzook [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:31 am ]
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Bruce wrote:
Yep Fish scales Peter. :-)
I steal Royces when I (well Royce does it lol) need them.


I never bother with the scale. I have power steer so it doesn't matter how tight the king pins are 8O :P :D
Author:  Bruce [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:36 am ]
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Yep well Casper has power steer as well now. Fringin love it, but I think I would still use the scales when I need to redo them.
Author:  royce [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:45 am ]
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Fatzook wrote:
Bruce wrote:
Yep Fish scales Peter. :-)
I steal Royces when I (well Royce does it lol) need them.


I never bother with the scale. I have power steer so it doesn't matter how tight the king pins are 8O :P :D


you would be amazed at how wide a scale of 'yeah that feels right' there is when setting them up without the scale, I did mine once and they lasted years, if you arent getting 60000km plus even with 31's you are doing it wrong.
Author:  Bruce [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:09 am ]
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royce wrote:
Fatzook wrote:
Bruce wrote:
Yep Fish scales Peter. :-)
I steal Royces when I (well Royce does it lol) need them.


I never bother with the scale. I have power steer so it doesn't matter how tight the king pins are 8O :P :D


you would be amazed at how wide a scale of 'yeah that feels right' there is when setting them up without the scale, I did mine once and they lasted years, if you arent getting 60000km plus even with 31's you are doing it wrong.


LOL That means YOU will never have to do Casper's again. Bwhahahahah I'm lucky to do 500kms a year in the Ghost. :oops:
Author:  Fatzook [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:19 am ]
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royce wrote:
Fatzook wrote:
Bruce wrote:
Yep Fish scales Peter. :-)
I steal Royces when I (well Royce does it lol) need them.


I never bother with the scale. I have power steer so it doesn't matter how tight the king pins are 8O :P :D


you would be amazed at how wide a scale of 'yeah that feels right' there is when setting them up without the scale, I did mine once and they lasted years, if you arent getting 60000km plus even with 31's you are doing it wrong.


Who the Fcuk does 60,000kms in a sierra! 8O 8O 8O :D

I wear my sierras out after 20K :roll:
Author:  royce [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:22 am ]
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maybe if you set the bearings properly they would last longer than that :)
Author:  Rusho [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:24 am ]
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There was a write up in the tech section by steve also
Author:  Fatzook [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:26 am ]
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royce wrote:
maybe if you set the bearings properly they would last longer than that :)


I was talking about the whole car 8O Not just the bearings :D
Author:  steak_knife [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:38 am ]
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royce wrote:
you would be amazed at how wide a scale of 'yeah that feels right' there is when setting them up without the scale, I did mine once and they lasted years, if you arent getting 60000km plus even with 31's you are doing it wrong.


I'm good at that feeling, I set em by sense of smell.. :P :P
Author:  royce [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:43 am ]
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steknig wrote:
royce wrote:
you would be amazed at how wide a scale of 'yeah that feels right' there is when setting them up without the scale, I did mine once and they lasted years, if you arent getting 60000km plus even with 31's you are doing it wrong.


I'm good at that feeling, I set em by sense of smell.. :P :P


yeah but you are a proffesional butcher..I mean Automotive technician :wink:
Author:  steak_knife [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:49 am ]
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royce wrote:
steknig wrote:
royce wrote:
you would be amazed at how wide a scale of 'yeah that feels right' there is when setting them up without the scale, I did mine once and they lasted years, if you arent getting 60000km plus even with 31's you are doing it wrong.


I'm good at that feeling, I set em by sense of smell.. :P :P


yeah but you are a proffesional butcher..I mean Automotive technician :wink:


That's an insult royce. :roll: :lol:
Author:  dank [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:26 am ]
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colesy123 wrote:
Thanks Dank - hadnt thought about them possibly being indian made!!

How much work was involved with you doing the bearings? How many hours did it take?

cheers

colesy


As Fatzook said about 2 hours a side to do them properly. A hub nut or pipe socket in 50mm is the best way to do the hub nuts up to spec. from memory, the inner nut needs to be tensioned up to 90Nm then backed off to 10Nm and then the outside nut done up to 90Nm.

if anyone has the manual and would like to share the torque settings that would be great. i've done it as above with no ill effects in about 400km of driving since.
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