just put the gti head on the vit bottom end...........
flame suit on!
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| Author: | straty [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | 1600 back to 1300 |
Hey i am starting a GTI conversion into my sierra. It already has the 1.6 carbied fitted but i bought it like that. what do i need to do to convert it back to standard sierra gear. i know the adaptor plate will have to come off engine mounts but what else ?? thanks in advance jonny |
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| Author: | inbits [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
should only be the adapter plate and engine mount if its a ben t kit then bolt the 1300 in why do you want to go cack to a 1300 gti instead of g16b efi ? |
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| Author: | joeblow [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
inbits wrote: instead of g16b efi ?
he had a carby....... still...step backwards as far as i'm concerned. |
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| Author: | straty [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
ok so its just the plate and mounts i'd heard about dowels and heaps of other crap |
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| Author: | jonno_racing [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:22 am ] |
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joeblow wrote: inbits wrote: instead of g16b efi ? he had a carby....... still...step backwards as far as i'm concerned. lol carbi 8valve to efi 16 valve??? |
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| Author: | straty [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
i can see both arguments however i have access to a really good deal on the GTI so im gonna take it and yes JR im gonna rebuild it first after your little ''Experience'' with s/h GTI motors lol |
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| Author: | mnemonix [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
Jonno, enough of the g13b worshipping. You're one of the only people here who sing it's praises. The majority agree through experience that the 1.6litre (both types) is a better performer. You're not assisting this bloke, so keep your dribble out of the thread. |
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| Author: | MrRocky [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
u want to part with your motor and ben-t plate |
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| Author: | straty [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
yeah eventually i need to build up my GTI motor and slot it in first. It's only done about 80'000 since a full rebuild by suzisport. Sierra is my daily so give it maybe 10 weeks and i'll have it done lol. How much is it worth to ya ? |
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| Author: | 31zook [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
just put the gti head on the vit bottom end........... flame suit on!
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| Author: | joeblow [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
jonno_racing wrote: joeblow wrote: inbits wrote: instead of g16b efi ? he had a carby....... still...step backwards as far as i'm concerned. lol carbi 8valve to efi 16 valve??? yep....there is nothing exciting about the gti head with its twin cams and hydro lifters. i'd rather an 8 valve tbi 1.6 anyday. |
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| Author: | straty [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
I've thought about that it would probably be easier just change heads and pistons over but aparantly its not that good ? is it any better than standard GTI form ? |
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| Author: | kenn [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
Hi Jonny ,no offence but i think your nuts. Why not sell the GTI and buy some injection for the 1.6.. |
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| Author: | straty [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
Hahahahaha Kenn your not the only one. but seriously the 4wding i do is all sorta beach/dune work where a high revving wide powerband is a good thing, any thoughts on exhaust size ?? and for the life of me i just cant find a good 1600 efi setup with low k's |
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| Author: | jonno_racing [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
imo if i bought one with a 1.6 in it i would go to a g16b. the twin cam is better on beach/mud and road than the g16b. it all depends on what u want.. edit if u do alot of beach work twin cam all the way! |
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| Author: | joeblow [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
jonno_racing wrote: edit if u do alot of beach work twin cam all the way!
are you seriously going to stick by that comment? |
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| Author: | jonno_racing [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
joeblow wrote: jonno_racing wrote: edit if u do alot of beach work twin cam all the way! are you seriously going to stick by that comment?  wana race?
i will its just my opinion tho joe |
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| Author: | kenn [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
Can i bring a race car 
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| Author: | jonno_racing [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
only if its a STOCK g16b in a sierra. seriously tho i know i love my g13b but on the beach/dunes that is where it REALY comes in2 its own! every where elce other than mud and the street the g16b would be better, but when you want ouright power and revs eg on the soft stuff.. gti all the way.. and to be honnest what the g13b lacks in so called "torque" it easly makes up for with 6.5s and a driver who is used to the car! beach and mud work is the reason i went gti.. something that can rev and take abuse... and other than buying 2 dodgey motors (before any one points that out) i have not looked back, the combo of 31's 6.5s g13b is great in my zook for tassie work.. |
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| Author: | kenn [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
But you wanted a race.. If you want to go wheeling then I'll bring my LJ but if you want to race thats diffrent..... |
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| Author: | jonno_racing [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
i was impling more the g13b vs g16b i can tell u zook_fun has a stock sierra with a mk3 gti motor in it... and bar a 4wheeler it would be one of the best cars i have ever sceen on the dunes... |
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| Author: | straty [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
hahaha this is hilarious the ever raging G13B VS G16B debate i think we all need to learn to give honest opinion but respect each others viewpoint as in terrain, driving style and off road to road work ratio. But seriously i know for a fact that both jonno_racing and joeblow can offer extremely accurate and usefull info and i respect both of your opinions so is that enough........ can we bury the hatchet ???? if not we can all agree on one thing EFI RULES hands down !!!!!!!! |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
end thread, insert a J20a. 
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| Author: | 303zuke [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
The best Suzuki engine for slow speed off-road work had no cams at all! peaceout Viva la LJ50!!! peaceout |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
Yeah but jonny boy wants a race.... |
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| Author: | Fatzook [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
joeblow wrote: jonno_racing wrote: joeblow wrote: inbits wrote: instead of g16b efi ? he had a carby....... still...step backwards as far as i'm concerned. lol carbi 8valve to efi 16 valve??? yep....there is nothing exciting about the gti head with its twin cams and hydro lifters. i'd rather an 8 valve tbi 1.6 anyday. x2. 1.6TBI = AWESOME!!! 
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| Author: | Hybrid [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
Fatzook wrote: joeblow wrote: i'd rather an 8 valve tbi 1.6 anyday. x2. 1.6TBI = AWESOME!!! What's with the TBI loving? Honest question. I run a tbi g16 now but would prefer port injection. The 8 valve is more suited to forced induction from the research that i've done but otherwise I thought the tbi + 8 valve combo was the lesser of the 2 EFI G16s. |
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| Author: | jonno_racing [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
Fatzook wrote: joeblow wrote: jonno_racing wrote: joeblow wrote: inbits wrote: instead of g16b efi ? he had a carby....... still...step backwards as far as i'm concerned. lol carbi 8valve to efi 16 valve??? yep....there is nothing exciting about the gti head with its twin cams and hydro lifters. i'd rather an 8 valve tbi 1.6 anyday. x2. 1.6TBI = AWESOME!!! umm wow i love all these one eyed 1600 lovers. i admit the g16b is better for low speed crawling about.. however the g13b is better for beach/mud/road work... lets look at some figures STOCK SIERRA Power 47kW @ 6000rpm Torque 100Nm @ 3500rpm G13bb Power 59kW @ 6000rpm Torque 104Nm @ 4500-4500rpm G13b Power 74kW @ 6450rpm Torque 113Nm @ 4950-4950rpm G16B Power 71kW @ 5600rpm Torque 133Nm @ 4000rpm Ok so everything is a improvment over the stock sierra motor The g16b has 20 more nm.. that works in your favour for crawling and genral off road work. the g13b has 3 more kw however it also rev's 1500rpm harder and longer than the g16b.. makeing it the better choice for the beach work and the 16 the beter choice for crawling about. nither are bad for both tasks tho. i think in the end it comes down to what you want. i realy rate the twin cam in mine.. when i get in the slippery stuff and need more wheel speed i have instant power and plenty of revs to play with.. and i am yet to see any car as fast on the beach/dunes as a gti powerd zook! so to the op it depends what u want! and when u read the power figures there isnt much in it anyways 
also gti is the cheepest and best imo |
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| Author: | SuziBlu [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
johno, i do not understand you theory that you need high revs for sand. Thats all I wheel on, and revs for sand is a strange concept. Torque is what you need, torque will hold you there far far better than revs. In any application. |
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| Author: | jonno_racing [ Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 1600 back to 1300 |
not nesecerly high revs, but power and having revs to play with is where its atm imo are u telling me u putter about under 3000rpm on the dunes???? |
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