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| Author: | scottyy [ Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | hilux diff conversion |
Hey guys just bought some hilux diffs for my '95 sierra. Just wondering if you have any tips for the conversion. And what to do with the offset for the rear diff. Cheers |
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| Author: | zooky08 [ Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
Dont think u can get hilux diffs engineered on a sierra in qld |
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| Author: | zookernator [ Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
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| Author: | 4wheeljive [ Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
you cant unless you do it spring under |
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| Author: | weaves [ Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
scottyy wrote: Hey guys just bought some hilux diffs for my '95 sierra.
Just wondering if you have any tips for the conversion. And what to do with the offset for the rear diff. Cheers Assuming your not after a legal truck. Your spring perch's will pretty much fit the WT spacing, from what i have read its just a case of 'manipulating' them into place. then you need to look at steering, high steer, cross over setups can be bought through lowrance etc, you will need this as the hilux runs a J arm setup from factory. Some people have flipped and welded another left hand (i think) steering arm on top of the passenger side, using the standard tie rod, and manufacturing a drag link. as for the rear offset, if this is a trailered rig that will more than likely never be out of low range, it won't caust you too much drama, at any decent speed it will more than lickely vrbrate like mad. If your worried about this you can source a Bundy diff which is offset. weaves |
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| Author: | Damo [ Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
weaves wrote: Your spring perch's will pretty much fit the WT spacing
Pretty much fit eh? They either fit or they don't. And in this case, they don't. |
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| Author: | BUZOOKA [ Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
i dont see the point in ruining one of the sierras key strengths by making it as wide as every other 4wd on the market ... just my 2 cents .. but hey ur bus go for it |
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| Author: | scottyy [ Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
thanks guys what the chances of finding a bundera diff for the rear because ill be on road |
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| Author: | weaves [ Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
Damo wrote: weaves wrote: Your spring perch's will pretty much fit the WT spacing Pretty much fit eh? They either fit or they don't. And in this case, they don't. Yep i stand by my statement, from what i understand its about 1 cm out |
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| Author: | Fatzook [ Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
BUZOOKA wrote: i dont see the point in ruining one of the sierras key strengths by making it as wide as every other 4wd on the market ...
just my 2 cents .. but hey ur bus go for it Are you suggesting that giving a vehicle a wider stance is a bad thing? If so I think you need to re-visit 4WDing 101. The key advantages of the sierra are not its narrow track, but its light weight, manuverability and general mechanical reliabilty. Wide and low. Can't go wrong. |
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| Author: | Damo [ Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
weaves wrote: Damo wrote: weaves wrote: Your spring perch's will pretty much fit the WT spacing Pretty much fit eh? They either fit or they don't. And in this case, they don't. Yep i stand by my statement, from what i understand its about 1 cm out Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree. Bundy diff won't be as common as hilux, but you can find them if you look. |
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| Author: | Highway-Star [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
Fatzook wrote: BUZOOKA wrote: i dont see the point in ruining one of the sierras key strengths by making it as wide as every other 4wd on the market ... just my 2 cents .. but hey ur bus go for it Are you suggesting that giving a vehicle a wider stance is a bad thing? If so I think you need to re-visit 4WDing 101. The key advantages of the sierra are not its narrow track, but its light weight, manuverability and general mechanical reliabilty. Wide and low. Can't go wrong. I hate to say this.....but I'm agreeing with buzooka  .
I prefer the Narrow track of my LJ over the Sierra. I feel WT Sierras are too wide and cumbersome to begin with. High risk for high gain, love the narrowness 
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| Author: | Damo [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
Highway-Star wrote: Fatzook wrote: BUZOOKA wrote: i dont see the point in ruining one of the sierras key strengths by making it as wide as every other 4wd on the market ... just my 2 cents .. but hey ur bus go for it Are you suggesting that giving a vehicle a wider stance is a bad thing? If so I think you need to re-visit 4WDing 101. The key advantages of the sierra are not its narrow track, but its light weight, manuverability and general mechanical reliabilty. Wide and low. Can't go wrong. I hate to say this.....but I'm agreeing with buzooka . I prefer the Narrow track of my LJ over the Sierra. I feel WT Sierras are too wide and cumbersome to begin with. High risk for high gain, love the narrowness You trade stability for agility. Depending on where you're wheeling and how you drive one or the other might be an advantage. It's the same old story, no such thing as a free lunch and each to their own. Personally I like the low & wide type setup. |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
scottyy wrote: thanks guys what the chances of finding a bundera diff for the rear because ill be on road
right here, right now. 
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| Author: | Highway-Star [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
Damo wrote: Highway-Star wrote: Fatzook wrote: BUZOOKA wrote: i dont see the point in ruining one of the sierras key strengths by making it as wide as every other 4wd on the market ... just my 2 cents .. but hey ur bus go for it Are you suggesting that giving a vehicle a wider stance is a bad thing? If so I think you need to re-visit 4WDing 101. The key advantages of the sierra are not its narrow track, but its light weight, manuverability and general mechanical reliabilty. Wide and low. Can't go wrong. I hate to say this.....but I'm agreeing with buzooka . I prefer the Narrow track of my LJ over the Sierra. I feel WT Sierras are too wide and cumbersome to begin with. High risk for high gain, love the narrowness You trade stability for agility. Depending on where you're wheeling and how you drive one or the other might be an advantage. It's the same old story, no such thing as a free lunch and each to their own. Personally I like the low & wide type setup. For sure. Thats why I said I prefer. Not wide is crap... 
I prefer all dimensions small, narrow, low and short. Guess thats why I love the LJ80 so much 
The LJ80 is probably a tad on the too short side... though the unpredictablity on steep hills adds to the fun
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| Author: | shep [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
what is the difference between a bundera diff and a 75series diff. i always thought that a bundera was just a swb 75. 
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| Author: | Joe [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
shep wrote: what is the difference between a bundera diff and a 75series diff.
i always thought that a bundera was just a swb 75. I think it's the offset of the pumpkin
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| Author: | Damo [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
Highway-Star wrote: Damo wrote: Highway-Star wrote: Fatzook wrote: BUZOOKA wrote: i dont see the point in ruining one of the sierras key strengths by making it as wide as every other 4wd on the market ... just my 2 cents .. but hey ur bus go for it Are you suggesting that giving a vehicle a wider stance is a bad thing? If so I think you need to re-visit 4WDing 101. The key advantages of the sierra are not its narrow track, but its light weight, manuverability and general mechanical reliabilty. Wide and low. Can't go wrong. I hate to say this.....but I'm agreeing with buzooka . I prefer the Narrow track of my LJ over the Sierra. I feel WT Sierras are too wide and cumbersome to begin with. High risk for high gain, love the narrowness You trade stability for agility. Depending on where you're wheeling and how you drive one or the other might be an advantage. It's the same old story, no such thing as a free lunch and each to their own. Personally I like the low & wide type setup. For sure. Thats why I said I prefer. Not wide is crap... I prefer all dimensions small, narrow, low and short. Guess thats why I love the LJ80 so much The LJ80 is probably a tad on the too short side... though the unpredictablity on steep hills adds to the fun Critically you're making a point that along with the narrow track, you have lower overall weight, lower CoG. That means the vehicle is in proportion which is probably the most important thing. |
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| Author: | Highway-Star [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
Joe wrote: shep wrote: what is the difference between a bundera diff and a 75series diff. i always thought that a bundera was just a swb 75. I think it's the offset of the pumpkin Bundera is a "baby" 70 series. The true short wheel base (eg BJ70, Bundera would be RJ70 or LJ70) still runs leaf springs and full size 9" Cruiser centres with full floating rear shafts. The Bundera is a barstardisation of Land Cruiser and Hilux, with smaller 8" centres and semi floating rear shafts. For all intensive purposes the Cruiser diffs are "superior", however they are heavier and will lose you diff clearance with the 9" centres. Hence , the Bundera is probably better for a Suzuki, as the extra strength of the big diffs would be mostly wasted. |
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| Author: | shep [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
Highway-Star wrote: Joe wrote: shep wrote: what is the difference between a bundera diff and a 75series diff. i always thought that a bundera was just a swb 75. I think it's the offset of the pumpkin Bundera is a "baby" 70 series. The true short wheel base (eg BJ70, Bundera would be RJ70 or LJ70) still runs leaf springs and full size 9" Cruiser centres with full floating rear shafts. The Bundera is a barstardisation of Land Cruiser and Hilux, with smaller 8" centres and semi floating rear shafts. For all intensive purposes the Cruiser diffs are "superior", however they are heavier and will lose you diff clearance with the 9" centres. Hence , the Bundera is probably better for a Suzuki, as the extra strength of the big diffs would be mostly wasted. i should measure the diff clearance one day as my 75 seems to have almost as much as my sierra. |
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| Author: | Highway-Star [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
Damo wrote: Highway-Star wrote: For sure. Thats why I said I prefer. Not wide is crap... I prefer all dimensions small, narrow, low and short. Guess thats why I love the LJ80 so much The LJ80 is probably a tad on the too short side... though the unpredictablity on steep hills adds to the fun Critically you're making a point that along with the narrow track, you have lower overall weight, lower CoG. That means the vehicle is in proportion which is probably the most important thing. I'd say worse COG. LJ80's have the engine in a terrible position. Its very high, and very far forward (The car does feel nose heavy compared to a Sierra). LJ's are supposed to have 2 cylinder 2 strokes in them, the 50 and the 80 were official bodge jobs by Suzuki.... But I still love them
On a related note, I would never own a modified Sierra with NT diffs. I would be WT, but just more inset wheels; the end result would still be what I value in a vehicle. Its plausible the same is achievable with Toyota diffs, I'm just not sure how inset you can go? |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
Joe wrote: shep wrote: what is the difference between a bundera diff and a 75series diff. i always thought that a bundera was just a swb 75. I think it's the offset of the pumpkin + coil springs & radius arm suspension. |
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| Author: | BlueSuzy [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
A landcruiser "bundera" is a swb 75' coilsprung. All is hilux sizing with diffs. But slight differences only. A swb Landcruiser is a leaf one. Bigger centres, fully floating rear. Axles and cv's meant to be same thickness as lux/40/etc |
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| Author: | 2stroker [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
Actually a Bundera is not really a swb 70 series, although they look similar the front panels are different, they run smaller hilux diff centres but unlike hilux which are offset front and centred rear they are offset in the rear, they only come in 4 cyl 22r or 3b 4 cyl diesel and they are coil sprung. The swb 70 series are leaf sprung come in 6 cyl petrol and 6cyl and 4cyl diesel and are not called Bundera's |
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| Author: | zookernator [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
x2 with the low and wide opinion.. its not always about dropping into the wheel ruts, perhaps one should learn to steer clear of them if they are that bloody deep!!! |
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| Author: | appsie [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
i pulled a coiled bundy diff out of one with a 2L T which is now under a fellow members truck getting built scotty,what are your plans for regoing then if your in qld and running springover? also i say a bit of width cant hurt at all,making it more stable but i also agree that what these things can do in stupid tight gullys is also a big advantage |
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| Author: | BlueSuzy [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
my swb wt has 15x8-28 rims on suz diffs. With my new lux diffs and new 15x8-19 rims, its only going to be 15mm wider a side..In theory...
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| Author: | mcwilly [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: hilux diff conversion |
I agree with weaver I know of a zoom on luxs with unmodified spring perches |
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