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Author:  larry [ Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:54 am ]
Post subject:  legal mods/ limits :(
cause my dad is dry, i now have to make sure all my mods are legal. I KNOW!

soo my plan is to keep my suspention stock (for now) and go for 235/75/r15 maxxis bighorns, which should keep me satisfied for a while.
problem is: are they legal, for a lwb vit/ how can i get them legal

lift: legal limit is 50mm total (bigger tyres, sus lift, body lift combined), is this correct?
was thinking to maybe go for something like the ironman 35mm kit so tyres and lift will be around 50 mm lift

any guidance, info, tips ect will be much appreciated.

thanks
Author:  Hotshot993 [ Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:56 am ]
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Hey pretty sure the raise limit counts for body and suspension lift, not tyres. But tyres I'm pretty sure for a Sierra 235/75r15 are just above the legal limit but they will be fine. Thy won't stick out to the cops and look stupid. If I'm wrong I'm sure people will correct me.
Author:  larry [ Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:05 am ]
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yea i read somewhere on the rta website that the 2 inch limit is for combined lift from all 3, im not certain tho,

he doesnt care about getting defected,
hes got this idea that if i have a big crash and my cars illegal that insurance wont pay for shit and ill owe millions to someone ect, fuckin dry balls
Author:  Ben_Sierra [ Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:08 am ]
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Insurance won't pay out IF the mods contribute to the accident.

For example, larger tyres affect braking, so run up the back of someone, and they'll argue that the tyres contributed...

However, 99% of the time the insurance company will just pay out without looking at the mods...
Author:  larry [ Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:17 am ]
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oh thanks ben,
I didnt even think of that, seriously.

but hes talking like if i crash and make someone paraplegic and then they sue nrma, but nrma is like nah the car was illegal were not paying, and then i have to. (my dads a douche incase you havent realised) and yea,

but iuno, that might make him think if i tell him that.

cheers
Author:  BUZOOKA [ Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:24 am ]
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i wouldnt say ur dad is a douche mate.. he is just looking out for ur best interests...

but a 2inch suspension lift and 235 mudies should see u a very capabile 4wd plus the police generaly wont look twice at u
Author:  ellis [ Sun Jan 09, 2011 1:31 pm ]
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i think you can do a 2inch suspension lift 2 inch body lift and 2 inch bigger tyres and this is legal aslong as you get the body lift approved
Author:  Fatzook [ Sun Jan 09, 2011 1:35 pm ]
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ellis wrote:
i think you can do a 2inch suspension lift 2 inch body lift and 2 inch bigger tyres and this is legal aslong as you get the body lift approved


Not in QLD.....

You can lift the vehcile by 1/3 the factory distance bteween the bump stop and strike plate, BL is approvable AFTER application, and increase in tyre diameter of 15mm only.

So most vehicles thats 2" + BL + next size up tyre. So 215/70/15 instead of 205/70/15.
Author:  31zook [ Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:54 pm ]
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lay off your dad mate, how would you feel if you watched your son buy a car pay through the nose for insurance, then talk about mod's that make insurance void.... dry balls or not, his still just doing his dad role, which isn't so common in todays society....

235s, 50mm suspension lift and it won't look any different, but should perform better off road, if your from sydney you prob's do a bit of fire trail work, and some technical hill climb stuff (thats whats around). so this setup will be perfect, just save up for some air lockers, and you will have a killer stock looking set of wheels ;)
Author:  SuziBlu [ Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:00 pm ]
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Id say your father is a very responsible parent, few and far between, consider yourself one of the lucky few who has such a caring parent.

Put yourself in your fathers shoes for a sec, not your own 10" tall and bullet proof shoes, with wisdom, he is trying to get you to understand the consequences of your possible actions.

Think about it a little, even a micro second.
Author:  atari4x4 [ Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:58 pm ]
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from my understanding if the mods are engineered, the insurance is valid. check out Darkhorse's build
Author:  BertZook [ Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:03 pm ]
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call the insurance company and ask all those questions, chances re they prob re ok with the mods, or they'll say no even if they re completely legal

and if your insurance comp re not covering you any little mod in any kind of accident, just try to call a different insurance company until you reach one that approves your mods in an accident... Ask them every little question you have for a "legal" set up, and your "dream" set up to see wht they say

in that way you can calm your dad telling him the mods would be covered in the accident blah blah :wink:
Author:  larry [ Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:56 am ]
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i think you all took this the wrong way :/
regardless i was asking for info not a lecture -____-
Author:  atari4x4 [ Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:25 am ]
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hey larry, it can be done legally have a look at this build up.

http://auszookers.com/index.php?name=Fo ... sc&start=0
Author:  larry [ Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:00 am ]
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atari4x4 wrote:
hey larry, it can be done legally have a look at this build up.

http://auszookers.com/index.php?name=Fo ... sc&start=0
cheers mate, definitely considering this if the price is right.
Author:  got_bar_work [ Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:33 am ]
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I have 3 in lift and 31 tires engernieered in Newcastle
There are at least 3 cars in my club certified with 3 in lift and 3 in body and 31
Go talk to a signatory be for u do any mods
Author:  DarkHorse [ Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:33 am ]
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[QUOTE=atari4x4]hey larry, it can be done legally have a look at this build up.

auszookers.com/index.p...sc&start=0[/QUOTE]

BL of any size has to be engineered in NSW, but 2" isn't a drama to do so. Just not cheap. Get a kit from just_cruisin on here, don't do a dodgy with RHS or anything.

My 3" sus, 2" BL and 31s passed easily - just be careful about things like brake lines, rim offsets, camber/castor and stuff, because they will measure all that, wheel track, wheelbase etc to make sure you haven't done anything ridiculous. Also helps if everything is clean and neat and looks like it's been done properly. Get a wheel alignment and carwash before you go for the inspection!

I went through John at Consulmotive, who's RTA approved. Google will get you the website. Call him and tell him what you want to do, get all the mods done, then book in for the inspection, otherwise it'll cost you time and money to go back and get each thing approved individually.

Happy to answer any questions you have if I can.
Author:  larry [ Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:30 am ]
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sweet, thanks.

how much did it cost ya, if you dont mind me asking?

i dont want anything outrageous, probably just something like 235s 2 inch lift, thats about it to be honest.
is it worth me getting the lift engineered while im at it, even if it is only 2 inch?

thanks, much appreciated help
Author:  DarkHorse [ Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:45 am ]
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2" suspension only? That and 235s you'll be fine without eng.

If you go body lift, which you'll need to go any bigger with the rubber, you'll need approval.

Oh, the other expensive thing I forgot to mention was that you'll need to get the speedo recalibrated if the bigger tyres throw it out more than about 7% I think. 235s won't make that much difference, but 31s will for example.

Inspection and certificate was about $450 from memory. Speedo recal was about the same.

If insurance is an issue, try Just Car Insurance - good for modified cars, even for young'uns.
Author:  larry [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:42 am ]
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i know it'd be fine in most situations, but dad is paranoid about this kind of thing after getting advice off people at work.

nrma said wont be void as long as it is registerable aka RTA guidelines aka FML. might just have to stick with 215/75s

ive heard that you can sometimes get a different placard saying the stock tyre size is bigger, therefor letting you legally put bigger tyres?
maybe get 16" rims and a GV one?

this shit is doing my head in.
Author:  atari4x4 [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:46 am ]
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speak to an engineer, mod it & get it engineered.

IT WILL BE LEGAL & able to be INSURED
Author:  larry [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:59 am ]
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so as long as its engineered, its fine by RTA?
was hoping not to spend so much, but whats another 450? :?
i guess if im paying for engineering might as well get bigger lift. calmini is a bit different to get engineered, right? whats involved in that?
Author:  DarkHorse [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:43 pm ]
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Engineer certified by RTA signatory engineer = 100% legal and roadworthy - you have to get a Blue Slip after the certification for the RTA to process it.

You don't need an engineer to certify an off-the-shelf (OME/TD/Ironman etc) 30-40mm suspension lift, or marginally bigger tyres.

Replacing tyre placard is opening a whole other can of legal worms methinks.
Author:  klaery [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:55 pm ]
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Didn't think you could get larger tires engineered here.
Author:  atari4x4 [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:59 pm ]
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he is not here, he is there & it ok to engineer tyre there. :lol:
Author:  klaery [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:08 pm ]
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Ah read the wrong persons location :) I stand corrected! I am jealous :(
Author:  larry [ Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:54 am ]
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DarkHorse wrote:
or marginally bigger tyres.

by that do you mean the 30mm diameter increase? cause that still leaves me with 215s :/

would it be considerably cheaper for just tyres eng?
i went into bob jane and the smallest bighorns they have are 30x9.5 ($190) so probs go with them if getting eng, if not probs bfg km2 in 215/75 ($250 each is good price yes?)
Author:  Ben_Sierra [ Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:33 pm ]
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Bighorns do come smaller than that, I have them in a 235/75/15...

They should be able to get them in for you.
Author:  DarkHorse [ Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:35 pm ]
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Call John and ask the questions, it's his job to know for sure.

$1000 for a set of 4 BFGs isn't too bad, but I've heard good things about Maxxis (as well as being impressed with my Treps) which are, as you've found, considerably cheaper.
Author:  BJPK [ Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:34 pm ]
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215 75 15s on a sierra gets you a lot of places :D
215 75 15s on a vitara = a lot of scrapes bangs and damage :wink
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