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Author:  xedent [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:40 am ]
Post subject:  Help me get it started!!! - solved !
Ok well doing the baleno conversion, all finished just cant get it to start, there is.

spark
injector pulse
fuel pump primes and runs when turning over.

I gone through all the wiring and all seems good.

When i take the plugs out and turn it over i cant smell fuel or anything in the cylinders.

I am using a vl fuel pump, i changed it for a new one for a test no differance.

The guy i got it from got the ecu from an automatic if thats a problem.

Here is a picture of the sticker on the ecu
Image

If that helps.

any help would be great!!
Author:  Fatzook [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:02 am ]
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Being from an auto is not the problem. Both mine and matts (work horse build) are from autos and run fine.

Your problem lies elsewhere. :cry:
Author:  BlueSuzy [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:02 am ]
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Auto shouldnt be a problem.

Hows the cam/crank sensor
Author:  xedent [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:06 am ]
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brand new cam sensor that when i put a test light on it and crank it it pulses, the crank sensor when i have it on ignition and take it out near any metal it makes the fuel pump prime so im guessing it works.

Also i replaced the timing belt, took that all appart today to check it and the marks are still lineing up, and the crank sensor looks fine on the bottom cog.
Author:  Rusho [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:09 am ]
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Dizzy timing out by 180 degrees??
Author:  steak_knife [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:16 am ]
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Rusho wrote:
Dizzy timing out by 180 degrees??


Nope, no dizzy... this one's got me a lil stumped..


http://www.ptjau.com/images/sierra/bale ... ringv1.pdf
here the wiring diag he used..

Try that one.. :roll:
Author:  Rusho [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:24 am ]
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^^ No worky :roll: Stupid question time.....no dizzy ????
Author:  xedent [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:28 am ]
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Coil pack motor
Author:  steak_knife [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:29 am ]
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Rusho wrote:
^^ No worky :roll: Stupid question time.....no dizzy ????


Fixed that..


yer, no dizzy, it run's by getting signal's from the crank & cam sensor's to run the coils & injector's....
Author:  Rusho [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:30 am ]
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steak_knife wrote:
Rusho wrote:
^^ No worky :roll: Stupid question time.....no dizzy ????


Fixed that..


yer, no dizzy, it run's by getting signal's from the crank & cam sensor's to run the coils & injector's....


Learn something new every day then hey :P Turn the coils around then :roll: :lol:
Author:  xedent [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:33 am ]
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With the wiring diagram it shows a pin for sensor earth that runs to some of the sensors is this ment to be earthed aswell or does the ecu do that ?
Author:  steak_knife [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:34 am ]
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xedent wrote:
With the wiring diagram it shows a pin for sensor earth that runs to some of the sensors is this ment to be earthed aswell or does the ecu do that ?


There is no harm in earthing it, but buy the look's of the diag it earth's through the ecu..
Author:  89_tintop [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:38 am ]
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do you have fuel pressure at the rail??
Author:  DMAC [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:39 am ]
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Fuel line blockage?
Author:  steak_knife [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:43 am ]
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89_tintop wrote:
do you have fuel pressure at the rail??


he blocked the return to make sure the reg wasn't bleeding off...
Author:  ajsr [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:47 am ]
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fuel pressure?
lol opps too late
Author:  89_tintop [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:52 am ]
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when was the motor last run??
Author:  steak_knife [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:02 am ]
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89_tintop wrote:
when was the motor last run??


I'll let him tell you where he got it from... 8O
Author:  Rusho [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:04 am ]
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steak_knife wrote:
89_tintop wrote:
when was the motor last run??


I'll let him tell you where he got it from... 8O


This sounds interesting :)
Author:  steak_knife [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:08 am ]
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Rusho wrote:
steak_knife wrote:
89_tintop wrote:
when was the motor last run??


I'll let him tell you where he got it from... 8O


This sounds interesting :)


8O

Anyway, he has checked the main earth's, th cam sen signal & power, fuel pressure ( with out a gauge), it has spark & the inj's have pulse.. :? friggin thing.. :roll:
Author:  JrZook [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:14 am ]
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steak_knife wrote:
Rusho wrote:
steak_knife wrote:
89_tintop wrote:
when was the motor last run??


I'll let him tell you where he got it from... 8O


This sounds interesting :)


8O

Anyway, he has checked the main earth's, th cam sen signal & power, fuel pressure ( with out a gauge), it has spark & the inj's have pulse.. :? friggin thing.. :roll:


If it has spark, fuel, and injector pulses then it must be timing related.
Author:  89_tintop [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:15 am ]
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I have had engines that have sat for a while ... where the injectors have "siezed" shut.. tapped on them a few times and they started to work.


oh...

and who did he get the engine from?
Author:  steak_knife [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:17 am ]
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JrZook wrote:
If it has spark, fuel, and injector pulses then it must be timing related.


Agreed, but he stripped the cover off today & double checked, a mate of his is a mechanic & fitted the new belt..
But don't they have 2 tdc's on the cam? :?
Author:  89_tintop [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:26 am ]
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JrZook wrote:
if it has spark, fuel, and injector pulses then it must be timing related.


I would agree... but he isnt getting any fuel by the sound of it .. no fuel smell when plugs are removed ..
Author:  xedent [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:29 am ]
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Lol motor is from vw Dave,

Deffently fuel pressure at the rail.
The motor has been sitting about 6 months maybe longer.
Author:  xedent [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:31 am ]
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Yeah the timing belt was just a replace so lined up both marks pulled belt, new idler and new belt, checked marks, still line up and it's turned over heaps
Author:  xedent [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:39 am ]
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89_tintop wrote:
I have had engines that have sat for a while ... where the injectors have "siezed" shut.. tapped on them a few times and they started to work.


oh...

and who did he get the engine from?


Sounds like this could be a win, I pulled off the fuel rail this arvo, what do you 'tap' them with an
Author:  89_tintop [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:48 am ]
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I just use a screw driver handle and tap the injector..
Author:  MrRocky [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:48 am ]
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my guess, crack the big nut/bolt on the end of the fuel rail when the pump is priming and there should be heaps of pressure in the rail and very slowly undo it until fuel sprays out, seriously it should be so much pressure it will cover your whole car if you undo it any further. if thats it check your fuel pump isnt getting hot as you might have it wired the wrong way alot of those style pumps have no + or - marks.
Otherwise check all earths particulary the injector earths, also check the injector is pulsing by using a small simple globe plugged into the injector plug pins.
Author:  11_evl [ Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:30 pm ]
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Fuel pressure on the wrong end of the rail. So even crimping the return your only blocking the the input.
Otherwise spend the extra and get the injectors flowed. Won't hurt anyway
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