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Author:  31zook [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:52 pm ]
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Hey guys, I'm nearing the end of my injection saga and about to put pen to paper and work out the next part of my build. coils. So I'm going to build parallel links up top and reverse triangulated on the bottom of my front diff, and a standard tri 4-link rear end (ala pete's new yellow 40). And I'm keen on the idea of some tidy looking coil overs. It will be easier and there is more room for fitting shocks when the car will be 50-75mm above standard height. My question is will i be able to get a reasonable ride out of any of these? I have heard that air shocks are pretty rough on road, and that they unload pretty awesomely on angles, so does anyone know of coil overs that will fit my needs. I'm not after allot of flex, I'd be happy with 10"-12" on each corner.... let me know what you know :D

http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/Sho ... c-769.html

cheers :D
Author:  BlueSuzy [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:19 pm ]
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http://www.auszookers.com/index.php?nam ... t=coilover

The main thing that made my mind up is the price.

Hey you even posted on that thread :lol:
Author:  Fatzook [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:45 pm ]
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I don't think air shocks are legal on road unless you are using a coil or leaf spring aswell.

COilovers can be approved though, and offer alot more tunability.
Author:  royce [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:51 pm ]
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Fatzook wrote:
I don't think air shocks are legal on road unless you are using a coil or leaf spring aswell.

COilovers can be approved though, and offer alot more tunability.


lots of perfectly road legal cars using pnuematic and hydraulic suspension, i'd be interested in the reasoning why if they cant be legal

FWIW an airshock can be adjusted for spring rate, bump and rebound, its just so many people jsut bang em on and think thats that.
Author:  got_bar_work [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:20 am ]
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My mates patrol runs air shocks on the rear and is certified.
Must have the sway bar connected though or it rolls around like a boat.
If u run them just make sure u have a winch on the diff so u can pull the diff down when needed
Ps I have seen some king of the hammers rigs run them so they cant be to bad at speed
Author:  2stroker [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:36 am ]
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I have a mate with a mega modified toyota that runs fully individually in cab adjustable airbags and rancho's no springs, it is awesome. Road regoed, fully engineered and DOT inspected and approved. 82 Hilux on a 80 series cruiser chassis.
Author:  SuziBlu [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:40 am ]
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Most people I know who use air shocks make the mistake of having a common valves, bad move, use a separate nipple for each shock.

Reason is, air will move from one shock to the other, so roll is extenuated, so is a bad load etc. When you load one side heavier with separate valves, sweet as, just add extra air on the low side.
Author:  atari4x4 [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:48 am ]
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Author:  SuziBlu [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:58 am ]
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ahhh ha yep, foot in mouth again.

Forgive me, its hard sitting at anchor in Great Keppel Island.

Even so, you would still have to have seperate controls for each shock, ??
Author:  royce [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:16 am ]
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SuziBlu wrote:
ahhh ha yep, foot in mouth again.

Forgive me, its hard sitting at anchor in Great Keppel Island.

Even so, you would still have to have seperate controls for each shock, ??


They are set and forget, you gas them up to a pressure to give ride height, you can also change the valves inside to alter your shack valving and the oil level to alter your spring rate, pretty cool bits of kit for the money
Author:  SuziBlu [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:31 am ]
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What sort of price are we talking.

Are they something to look into for my maruti build. I have never heard of them, I was going to go for rancho 9000s
Author:  royce [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:34 am ]
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about $250 a piece, but they replace coils not leaves :)

you could look at fox 2.0 for similar money are a straight shock, note youll think they are shit unless you put teh effort into tuning them, being a fox they are like a Dirt bike fork minus the spring inside
Author:  SuziBlu [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:56 am ]
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I need something so as to be able to stiffen them up hard for engineering, swerve and recovery, then when I get passed, (35s) be able to lessen them and have a good shock.

I could do lots of things, but I do not want to buy shocks for engineering only, what are Fox 2s like
Author:  93zook [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:24 am ]
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http://locktup4x4.com.au/buggy-truggy-2 ... d-798.html

have you had a look at these?
Author:  royce [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:29 am ]
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SuziBlu wrote:
I need something so as to be able to stiffen them up hard for engineering, swerve and recovery, then when I get passed, (35s) be able to lessen them and have a good shock.

I could do lots of things, but I do not want to buy shocks for engineering only, what are Fox 2s like


they arent knob adjust like a koni or rancho, its pull apart and replace parts

cant you just use stiffer springs, stiff shocks and soft springs will still handle shit
Author:  SuziBlu [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:34 am ]
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I want to be able to fly, and land gently, so long soft springs, with the ability to change shock tension, preferably in cab while on the go.

I am still mulling over YJ or RUFF, got me WT axles ordered, its coming together, not fast enuf, but its giving me time to sort out springs.

IF useless rocky road had have pulled their fingers out, i would have YJ installed, but they sooooo slow, and I do not like the other YJ set ups available.
Author:  royce [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:37 am ]
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I am talking about engineering only, dont care what your junk rides like, I have a vit so I win :)

while you are looking, check out their bumpstops too, will suit what you want to do perfectly
Author:  SuziBlu [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:52 am ]
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cool

an mate, fair dinkum, I know what a vit drives like, I have one as a daily, cool for the black top, unsure as to where I take the toys.

Need to find a 1.6l baleeno for her.
Author:  Polar_Bear [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:06 am ]
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SuziBlu wrote:
I want to be able to fly, and land gently, so long soft springs


you thinking of entering loveday 4wd comps? :wink:

:crazy:
Author:  SuziBlu [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:14 am ]
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never heard of that one, I just love the sandhills at coffin bay huge great big things, when Im home, I go playing most every day, lots I cannot do, as my suspension is lacking.

Its good, but can be a whole lot better, the flights are fun, the landings are a bit harsh, and as for leaping over razor backs, only small ones till I get softer.

Do you know Coffins ?
Author:  want33s [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:37 pm ]
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Author:  31zook [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:59 pm ]
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cheers guys for the comments and ideas. So pretty much, the conclusion is a coilover will ride better or on par with a coil spring, if valved and has the right rate springs in them.

here are the shocks im looking at
http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/Fox ... p-643.html

the rest on the poly performance website all seem $100 dearer and not any better.....
Author:  Fatzook [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:41 pm ]
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What length are you shooting for? The 5/8 shaft units only go to 10" travel.

Also, get you coils from over their too. I got my Eibach coils for $65US each ($130US per corner) and its a fair site cheaper than buying them here!
Author:  31zook [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:36 pm ]
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It will be on zook diffs, so im aiming for about 10"-12" on each corner.... will go and measure it all up tonight just to see if what im thinking is possible....

so i might buy these then hey.....
http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/Fox ... p-644.html

these are the only 2.0" springs i could find, how do you work out the correct rate?

http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/2.0 ... -2084.html
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