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matfan

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Joined: Sat May 29, 2010 4:27 pm Posts: 935 Location: Paraguay
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 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:17 am |
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Hi does anyone have the torque/power curve for a standard zook 1.3?
I'm trying to get a little bit rediculous on my gearing modelling and I really don't want to pay for a dyno just for the sake of it!
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MrRocky
Joined: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 4731 Location: perth
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what size tyres and what gearing do you have at present.
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matfan

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Joined: Sat May 29, 2010 4:27 pm Posts: 935 Location: Paraguay
Vehicle: WT Tinny, NT lwb, 1L lwb
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 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:27 am |
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Currently I'm on standard gearing with 30's but that is irrelevant as this is a virtual project.
I've already got together a 3d model of a tin-top and I think I've done the weight distribution properly, I've got all the gearing details under the sun, I just need to find out how the power is delivered so I can build a working model to test mods in the virtual world.
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zooky08

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Joined: Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 3426 Location: imbil/gympie. qld
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Some thing like 47kw is that what you after
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Ben_Sierra

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Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 4472 Location: Perth
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Best I can tell you is, the official figures for peak torque and power are:
49.5kW@6000rpm, 102Nm@4000rpm.
From these you can work out:
78.8Nm@6000rpm, 42.7kW@4000rpm...
You could use two points and some knowledge of what a torque curve normally looks like to make a bit of an approximation, I guess...
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MrRocky
Joined: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 4731 Location: perth
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sounds like magazine mechanics to me 
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JrZook
Joined: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 5517 Location: Holland Park
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matfan wrote: Hi does anyone have the torque/power curve for a standard zook 1.3?
I'm trying to get a little bit rediculous on my gearing modelling and I really don't want to pay for a dyno just for the sake of it!
You could just simply aim for cruise speed (100 in 5th) at max torque, which equals max engine efficiency..
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Ben_Sierra

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Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 4472 Location: Perth
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JrZook wrote: matfan wrote: Hi does anyone have the torque/power curve for a standard zook 1.3?
I'm trying to get a little bit rediculous on my gearing modelling and I really don't want to pay for a dyno just for the sake of it! You could just simply aim for cruise speed (100 in 5th) at max torque, which equals max engine efficiency..
Only if you're building a zook to cruise on the highway 
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Zook_Fan

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Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 4530 Location: Toowoomba
Vehicle: Maruti and LJ80's
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JrZook wrote: matfan wrote: Hi does anyone have the torque/power curve for a standard zook 1.3?
I'm trying to get a little bit rediculous on my gearing modelling and I really don't want to pay for a dyno just for the sake of it! You could just simply aim for cruise speed (100 in 5th) at max torque, which equals max engine efficiency..
Sitting on 100 in forth just slightly above 4000rpm I used 27L of fuel in 130k's on the highway...
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JrZook
Joined: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 5517 Location: Holland Park
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Zook_Fan wrote: JrZook wrote: matfan wrote: Hi does anyone have the torque/power curve for a standard zook 1.3?
I'm trying to get a little bit rediculous on my gearing modelling and I really don't want to pay for a dyno just for the sake of it! You could just simply aim for cruise speed (100 in 5th) at max torque, which equals max engine efficiency.. Sitting on 100 in forth just slightly above 4000rpm I used 27L of fuel in 130k's on the highway...
Thats like 5k/L i think you have other issues 
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SuziBlu
Joined: Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 4268 Location: Eyre Peninsula
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JrZook wrote: Zook_Fan wrote: JrZook wrote: matfan wrote: Hi does anyone have the torque/power curve for a standard zook 1.3?
I'm trying to get a little bit rediculous on my gearing modelling and I really don't want to pay for a dyno just for the sake of it! You could just simply aim for cruise speed (100 in 5th) at max torque, which equals max engine efficiency.. Sitting on 100 in forth just slightly above 4000rpm I used 27L of fuel in 130k's on the highway... Thats like 5k/L i think you have other issues 
Yep, serious issues.
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Ben_Sierra

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Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 4472 Location: Perth
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Zook_Fan wrote: JrZook wrote: matfan wrote: Hi does anyone have the torque/power curve for a standard zook 1.3?
I'm trying to get a little bit rediculous on my gearing modelling and I really don't want to pay for a dyno just for the sake of it! You could just simply aim for cruise speed (100 in 5th) at max torque, which equals max engine efficiency.. Sitting on 100 in forth just slightly above 4000rpm I used 27L of fuel in 130k's on the highway...
Dude, that's the sort of economy my mates turbo'd RX7 got on full noise... Something is wrong there...
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MrRocky
Joined: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 4731 Location: perth
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split fuel line
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SuziBlu
Joined: Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 4268 Location: Eyre Peninsula
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hand brake jammed on.
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matfan

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Joined: Sat May 29, 2010 4:27 pm Posts: 935 Location: Paraguay
Vehicle: WT Tinny, NT lwb, 1L lwb
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 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:53 am |
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towing a house??
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zooky08

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Joined: Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 3426 Location: imbil/gympie. qld
Vehicle: 03 Jimny
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He isn't alone
I use half a tank in about 60-80k's 
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SuziBlu
Joined: Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 4268 Location: Eyre Peninsula
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You have used half a tank in 60-80k of highway driving.
crikey
You would be far better off with a big block, less fuel and better performance.
I can understand that fuel usage at WOT, low gears, but highway driving, hmmm
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Zook_Fan

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Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 4530 Location: Toowoomba
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JrZook wrote: Zook_Fan wrote: JrZook wrote: matfan wrote: Hi does anyone have the torque/power curve for a standard zook 1.3?
I'm trying to get a little bit rediculous on my gearing modelling and I really don't want to pay for a dyno just for the sake of it! You could just simply aim for cruise speed (100 in 5th) at max torque, which equals max engine efficiency.. Sitting on 100 in forth just slightly above 4000rpm I used 27L of fuel in 130k's on the highway... Thats like 5k/L i think you have other issues 
yeah the primary throat in the carby wasn't working. all fixed now, just a terrible and expensive 350k drive home
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zooky08

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Joined: Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 3426 Location: imbil/gympie. qld
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Have stock gearing, 29 tyres but have a 1.6
I do 120kph at just under 4000rpm
Drain my tank like a thirsty camel
This is why I choose not to drive it 
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Modman
Joined: Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:30 pm Posts: 29 Location: Adelaide, South Aust
Vehicle: Jimny M18A,Twin locked lift
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Dynoed my stock 1.3 sierra with 190,000km at work (TAFE College) to amuse some apprentices and got 29.3kW@ 4300r/min and 125Nm@ 3400r/min in fourth gear.( Much laughter from the boys, they didn't think it would turn the rollers!) 2 months later having fitted extractors and a 2" system we did another run under the same conditions and recorded 34kW @5100 r/min and 135Nm @3600 r/min. The point was to show how small modifications can make good gains. 14% in this case and all good fun. These figures are for rear wheel power, not corrected.

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JrZook
Joined: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 5517 Location: Holland Park
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Zook_Fan wrote: JrZook wrote: Zook_Fan wrote: JrZook wrote: matfan wrote: Hi does anyone have the torque/power curve for a standard zook 1.3?
I'm trying to get a little bit rediculous on my gearing modelling and I really don't want to pay for a dyno just for the sake of it! You could just simply aim for cruise speed (100 in 5th) at max torque, which equals max engine efficiency.. Sitting on 100 in forth just slightly above 4000rpm I used 27L of fuel in 130k's on the highway... Thats like 5k/L i think you have other issues  yeah the primary throat in the carby wasn't working. all fixed now, just a terrible and expensive 350k drive home
Honestly dude why put in that rubbish statement of your poor fuel economy and not state that you had problems straight away. Just unnecessary complicates and diverts the thread 
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matfan

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Joined: Sat May 29, 2010 4:27 pm Posts: 935 Location: Paraguay
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Modman wrote: Dynoed my stock 1.3 sierra with 190,000km at work (TAFE College) to amuse some apprentices and got 29.3kW@ 4300r/min and 125Nm@ 3400r/min in fourth gear.( Much laughter from the boys, they didn't think it would turn the rollers!) 2 months later having fitted extractors and a 2" system we did another run under the same conditions and recorded 34kW @5100 r/min and 135Nm @3600 r/min. The point was to show how small modifications can make good gains. 14% in this case and all good fun. These figures are for rear wheel power, not corrected. 
Have you got the print out? It's exactly what I need.
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Modman
Joined: Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:30 pm Posts: 29 Location: Adelaide, South Aust
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Here are the print outs. Hope they are useful. What it shows is that revving the ring out of your stock engine is a waste of time and effort. 
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matfan

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Joined: Sat May 29, 2010 4:27 pm Posts: 935 Location: Paraguay
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 Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:04 am |
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Ummm I can't see them.
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TryHard
Joined: Thu May 13, 2010 1:49 am Posts: 1041 Location: Perth
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 Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:29 am |
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wow i thought my zook was bad doing 250 ... 300 a tank
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SuziBlu
Joined: Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 4268 Location: Eyre Peninsula
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matfan wrote: Ummm I can't see them.
X2
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31zook
Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 9242 Location: maito
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i have a dyno print out, but motor isn't stock....
High compression pistions, shaved head, shaved block, fully rebuilt head (down to the rocker rods), tighes hill ground cam (puts my power between 800rpm and 4500rpm), and a $1100 carby rebuild, tuned and jetted.
If your interested in my readout i can scan it in but it will take a few days....
41kw/56.1hp was my total power
I had a Tcase filled with grease and shot bearings and a gear box with shot bearings also.... im just finishing my 1.6 TBI setup, and will be getting another dyno reading when im done.....
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matfan

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Joined: Sat May 29, 2010 4:27 pm Posts: 935 Location: Paraguay
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 Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:00 am |
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Yeah that'd be great actually
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