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| Author: | sambo91 [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
has anyone heard of or done this conversion before? & how hard is it to do?? engine mounts and gearbox line up mainly. looms not so much of a worry |
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| Author: | BlueSuzy [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
m15a engine All wiring including key because of immoboliser that needs everything Jimny m13a gbox Custom mounts all round (m motors have flat/horizontal mounts, unlike sierra's 45' angle ones) Possibly custom jackshaft Jimny m13a extractors Jimny m13a Sump Look up 'Darren' http://www.auszookers.com/index.php?nam ... ic&t=10300 He has one in his lwb sierra. Custom ecu. When i met him he said the old holden cruze awd motor and wiring would be easier. He's near sunshine coast. |
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| Author: | sambo91 [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
thanks man. it says in the thread it was a complete bolt in =/ using sierra and jimny mounts. is it true if you use an aftermarket ecu you dont need to do the whole imoboliser setup with the original key im just wondering because i found a really cheap half cut that would cost about half of a g13bb. its just i hadnt herd of this done before. thanks heaps for your help blue |
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| Author: | Highway-Star [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
sambo91 wrote: is it true if you use an aftermarket ecu you dont need to do the whole imoboliser setup with the original key
Yes that would be right. But do some research on aftermarket ECU's before you get all excited. They are a bit of an adventure in their own right. As I understand it the issue with the swift motor is the stability or traction control crap?  Which the factory ECU will not function without receiving input from.
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| Author: | Red89 [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
BlueSuzy wrote: m15a engine
All wiring including key because of immoboliser that needs everything Jimny m13a gbox Custom mounts all round (m motors have flat/horizontal mounts, unlike sierra's 45' angle ones) Possibly custom jackshaft Jimny m13a extractors Jimny m13a Sump Look up 'Darren' http://www.auszookers.com/index.php?nam ... ic&t=10300 He has one in his lwb sierra. Custom ecu. When i met him he said the old holden cruze awd motor and wiring would be easier. He's near sunshine coast. I assume the same setup would work with an m18a motor ? |
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| Author: | Taylor74 [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
You could do the vvt 1.5 with a vvt 1.3 jimny ecu and harnes, Have been looking into the conversion myself, just still not sure if i can trick the immobiliser circuit to not need the key part. |
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| Author: | Fatzook [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
Taylor74 wrote: You could do the vvt 1.5 with a vvt 1.3 jimny ecu and harnes, Have been looking into the conversion myself, just still not sure if i can trick the immobiliser circuit to not need the key part.
Are you good at that sort of thing? Its not simple at all. The key, the transponder, the immobiliser unit and the ECU are all matched to each other and all 4 form a single circut that allows the immobiliser to be deactivated. Fuckin PITA. 
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
Fatzook wrote: Taylor74 wrote: You could do the vvt 1.5 with a vvt 1.3 jimny ecu and harnes, Have been looking into the conversion myself, just still not sure if i can trick the immobiliser circuit to not need the key part. Are you good at that sort of thing? Its not simple at all. The key, the transponder, the immobiliser unit and the ECU are all matched to each other and all 4 form a single circut that allows the immobiliser to be deactivated. Fuckin PITA.  We'll get it!!!!
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| Author: | Taylor74 [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
steak_knife wrote: Fatzook wrote: Taylor74 wrote: You could do the vvt 1.5 with a vvt 1.3 jimny ecu and harnes, Have been looking into the conversion myself, just still not sure if i can trick the immobiliser circuit to not need the key part. Are you good at that sort of thing? Its not simple at all. The key, the transponder, the immobiliser unit and the ECU are all matched to each other and all 4 form a single circut that allows the immobiliser to be deactivated. Fuckin PITA. We'll get it!!!!Well i worked out how to bypass a mitsubishi 2.4 lancer immobiliser system that is similar couple years ago, Just need some time to see if I can do the same with a zuk one but soooooo many hours busy at work havent had a chance in the last 6 months. Its a project im working on, have the gearbox ready and the mounts are easy just wireing |
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| Author: | Fatzook [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
Well I wish you the best. Its certainly a great motor, and if you can find a solution it may open the doors to a whole new generation of zook upgrades for the rest of us  G16's are thin on the ground these days 
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| Author: | Taylor74 [ Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
If I can get my head round the suzuki immobiliser system, Will share it with everyone as the gearbox and mounts are very simple to rectify, Life for me has been upside down latley, work has been extremly busy aswell. Thinking if everyone got there 90 mdl zuk with a 2010 mdl motor ther be a relife in the sj industry. Hoping after easter Ill get a better chance to look at the whole setup. |
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| Author: | Teracis [ Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
Do we have any electrical drawings for these vehicles/engines, or would an auto electrician have access to the required information? Surely the engine only needs a certain input, or is it some kind of coded signal which can't be replicated without the key and ignition unit? |
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| Author: | neofitou [ Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
Just thinking outloud, but Maybe there is an easier way to wire in the encoded key to the ecu? Like open it up and solder it straight onto the motherboard somewhere. Depending on how new it is, it might be a separate section on the board that could be bypassed altogether, but you would need one that works (half cut or a whole car) and an occiliscope to figure it out! |
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| Author: | Fatzook [ Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
Teracis wrote: Surely the engine only needs a certain input, or is it some kind of coded signal which can't be replicated without the key and ignition unit?
From my testing of an early non-vvt M13, the signal is a pulse that can be anywhere between 0-5V. This would be VERY hard to replicate. I reckon your only hope of getting this to work is to find a way around the system entirely. That way you don't need the other 3 components to make it run.....just the ECU. |
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| Author: | JrZook [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
Fatzook wrote: Teracis wrote: Surely the engine only needs a certain input, or is it some kind of coded signal which can't be replicated without the key and ignition unit? From my testing of an early non-vvt M13, the signal is a pulse that can be anywhere between 0-5V. This would be VERY hard to replicate. I reckon your only hope of getting this to work is to find a way around the system entirely. That way you don't need the other 3 components to make it run.....just the ECU. Im guessing it would be a coded signal. I have a C.R.O if anyone has the engine that I can scope to see exactly what it is. |
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| Author: | BlueSuzy [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
With late model vw's. The immoboliser can be deleted off the ecu via a vw tuner mob. They can also be fully remapped! But back to suzuki 
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| Author: | Fatzook [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
BlueSuzy wrote: With late model vw's. The immoboliser can be deleted off the ecu via a vw tuner mob. They can also be fully remapped!
But back to suzuki Thanks VWDave. Very helpfull 
Pitty there isn't that avenue for the zookers
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| Author: | BlueSuzy [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
Fatzook wrote: BlueSuzy wrote: With late model vw's. The immoboliser can be deleted off the ecu via a vw tuner mob. They can also be fully remapped! But back to suzuki Thanks VWDave. Very helpfull Pitty there isn't that avenue for the zookers No im not vwdave..vwdave said dont bother with them, impossible..But looked into that area further as i didnt beleive him..
Yeah its a pity suzuki are not supported enough unlike vw's in europe. |
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| Author: | royce [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
people have got around this for pretty much every other engine that needs it, cant see why these would be any different so the key says hello to teh immobiliser, the immobiliser goes yep I know who you are and informs the ecu its good to go, or does the ecu decide if its good to go? theres numerous spots it could be tricked there, or jsut run it all, key and everything |
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| Author: | MrRocky [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
had the same thing with a efi diahatsu engine, i just taped the key under the dash in the on position and used the existing ignition as on/off power to it. but im dodgy 
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
royce wrote: people have got around this for pretty much every other engine that needs it, cant see why these would be any different
so the key says hello to teh immobiliser, the immobiliser goes yep I know who you are and informs the ecu its good to go, or does the ecu decide if its good to go? theres numerous spots it could be tricked there, or jsut run it all, key and everything In the swift it's , Key, ant, BCM & the Bcm sends a sig to the ECU, what the sig is is not known, the BCM could just turn one of the ECU's input's off till it recognizes the key.. I'm thinking CAS.. |
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| Author: | royce [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
if the bcm turns an input off to teh ecu so it cant go then jsut feed the input straight to teh ecu, not via the ecu or like rocky said, the key trick used to be how holden V8 conversions were done
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
royce wrote: if the bcm turns an input off to teh ecu so it cant go then jsut feed the input straight to teh ecu, not via the ecu
or like rocky said, the key trick used to be how holden V8 conversions were done Did you read my post??? 
the BCM would need to be used to do such a thing..... after market Ecu........
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| Author: | royce [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
I tried but I turned off after you talked about bugs
yeah wire in teh bcm too, still a car aftermarket ecus are utter shit |
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| Author: | Rusho [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
royce wrote: I tried but I turned off after you talked about bugs
yeah wire in teh bcm too, still a car aftermarket ecus are utter shit I'll put one in mine Royce and you can get it wired up and going if you like, just to prove your right...I have the upmost of faith in you
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| Author: | royce [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
Rusho wrote: royce wrote: I tried but I turned off after you talked about bugs yeah wire in teh bcm too, still a car aftermarket ecus are utter shit I'll put one in mine Royce and you can get it wired up and going if you like, just to prove your right...I have the upmost of faith in you Are you going to help? |
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| Author: | Rusho [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
royce wrote: Rusho wrote: royce wrote: I tried but I turned off after you talked about bugs yeah wire in teh bcm too, still a car aftermarket ecus are utter shit I'll put one in mine Royce and you can get it wired up and going if you like, just to prove your right...I have the upmost of faith in you Are you going to help? I'll do the mounting of said engine and you can wire it and make it go broom broom 
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| Author: | royce [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
ok, as long as you dont help with teh wiring
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| Author: | Rusho [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
royce wrote: ok, as long as you dont help with teh wiring
It would be shit loads quicker if I didn't touch it
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| Author: | Taylor74 [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: M15 twin cam swift into coily?? |
On the mits set up the key is code hopping same as the zuks, what you do with the mits is hijack the main pwr relay and fuel pump relay and you can bypass it, Last mits i did pwrd the main relay from the ign and wired up a diod setup and timer from ign/crank and alt output to make it work like an EFI vehicle so it primed,fuel on crank and kept running so long as it was charging, similar to how a sf carby swift works. Like i say havent had a chance to try if the zuk ecu is similar, If not there is what MrRocky recons and put a key under the dash somewhere but its messy and not entirley reliable |
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