Early Falcons run a tie rod with a bend in it but they are cast steel.
Couldn't fid a pic of said Falcon units so here is one of an inflammable 4wd.
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| Author: | Fatzook [ Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Bent Tierod?? |
Anyone ever seen a 4by with a tie rod that was intensionally bent for clearance? Or have any reason why it would not be a good idea? Backstory: I have too much going on in a very confined space on the front of my ute. There is 2/5 of FA room to get the panhard rod inbetween the diff pumpkin and the tierod ( when on full steering lock in both directions) So my idea was to have a funky shaped panhard (which I have made) and then make a tierod that bends up and forward at both ends, with an adjuster nut right in the middle. It would be a fairly chunk replacement (5mm wall cromo) with heims at either end, through bolted to the knuckle arms. thoughts? |
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| Author: | want33s [ Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bent Tierod?? |
Early Falcons run a tie rod with a bend in it but they are cast steel. Couldn't fid a pic of said Falcon units so here is one of an inflammable 4wd.
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| Author: | Fatzook [ Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bent Tierod?? |
I see 
I'll give it a go 
Thanks |
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| Author: | daisy [ Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bent Tierod?? |
Ran the same thing in the 'scrapper' buggy was a double tubed 25nb inside 32nb and welded shut with captive nuts used to screw in heim joints 3/4's. - it was bent about 30degrees in at each end to give clearance for the large diff pumpkin cover (d60) No reason why you shouldnt have any issues with it. Although steering geometry - ackermans angle changes with the bent tie rod i think. |
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| Author: | alien [ Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bent Tierod?? |
wouldnt it be prone to bending more unless you gusseted at least one side of it? |
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| Author: | daisy [ Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:30 am ] |
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alien wrote: wouldnt it be prone to bending more unless you gusseted at least one side of it?
Now that you mentioned it.. yes we ran a piece of triangle flat on top and bottom of the bends to gusset it. |
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| Author: | Teracis [ Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bent Tierod?? |
alien wrote: wouldnt it be prone to bending more unless you gusseted at least one side of it?
This was the first thing I thought of doing, wouldn't need to gusset it too much surely? It only needs to be stronger than the next part in the system right? |
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| Author: | royce [ Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bent Tierod?? |
Heres one I prepared earlier |
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| Author: | alien [ Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bent Tierod?? |
i wonder if rather than welding it etc, with fatzooks skills... could you not make up an adapter block? something like this: 
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| Author: | Fatzook [ Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bent Tierod?? |
I have a better one than that Royce
And as for the bar bending further, well heavy wall cromo would be hard to bend me thinks. Time will tell. |
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| Author: | royce [ Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bent Tierod?? |
dont ever bag these again 
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| Author: | monley [ Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bent Tierod?? |
Fatzook wrote: I have a better one than that Royce
And as for the bar bending further, well heavy wall cromo would be hard to bend me thinks. Time will tell. Is that what my d-link is made from?? |
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| Author: | jonno_racing [ Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:04 am ] |
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ah love a Z link |
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| Author: | Fatzook [ Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bent Tierod?? |
royce wrote: dont ever bag these again
Me? Never! 
Tie rod Royce, not drag link
My theory on the non-linear tierod is that it shouldn't care is its straight or not. Its only job in life is to move from left to right. The drag link however moves up and down, AND left to right. It also has a special relationship with the pitman arm, which a bent drag link (or Z-link) can upset. |
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bent Tierod?? |
monkey wrote: Fatzook wrote: I have a better one than that Royce And as for the bar bending further, well heavy wall cromo would be hard to bend me thinks. Time will tell. Is that what my d-link is made from?? 
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| Author: | 31zook [ Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bent Tierod?? |
there might be some ideas in here 
http://128.83.80.200/taco/scarysteering.html |
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| Author: | 31zook [ Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:27 pm ] |
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| Author: | SierraDan [ Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:38 pm ] |
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Damn yanks |
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| Author: | Fatzook [ Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bent Tierod?? |
WTF are you guys smoking?  Who said anything about a bent drag link?
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| Author: | DarkHorse [ Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:48 am ] |
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That's... creative... |
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| Author: | daisy [ Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bent Tierod?? |
Fatzook wrote: WTF are you guys smoking?
Who said anything about a bent drag link? Agreed... Ive seen people always get the tie rod and drag links mixed up... Other than that... you should be fine with doin slight bends at each end... what size is the pipe anyway? I've a 25nb die - not sure if it'd suit your purposes and could possibly bend it although it'd be hard... or you could use a 20 ton press if you have one (surely you have one???) and make a small die for the pipe to sit in it and press it in to shape using pieces of angle
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| Author: | 31zook [ Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bent Tierod?? |
daisy wrote: Fatzook wrote: WTF are you guys smoking? Who said anything about a bent drag link? Agreed... Ive seen people always get the tie rod and drag links mixed up... Other than that... you should be fine with doin slight bends at each end... what size is the pipe anyway? I've a 25nb die - not sure if it'd suit your purposes and could possibly bend it although it'd be hard... or you could use a 20 ton press if you have one (surely you have one???) and make a small die for the pipe to sit in it and press it in to shape using pieces of angle my first post was a joke, but in the pic i put up the tie rod has bends in it, it's factory, and im sure you could shorten it or make it work somehow..... |
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| Author: | skyman [ Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bent Tierod?? |
I agree with your earlier statement FatZook, the tie rod goes back and forth only. It does not matter at all if it is crooked, zig-zagged etc. The bent tie rod will act as a straight rod from arm to arm. as long as the heims do not allow vertical, or forward movement your good to go. Draw a line from arm to arm, and this is how the tie rod will act. (a long as it does not bend, or move out of it's intended plane. |
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| Author: | Fatzook [ Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bent Tierod?? |
daisy wrote: Fatzook wrote: WTF are you guys smoking? Who said anything about a bent drag link? Agreed... Ive seen people always get the tie rod and drag links mixed up... Other than that... you should be fine with doin slight bends at each end... what size is the pipe anyway? I've a 25nb die - not sure if it'd suit your purposes and could possibly bend it although it'd be hard... or you could use a 20 ton press if you have one (surely you have one???) and make a small die for the pipe to sit in it and press it in to shape using pieces of angle Not sure on size. Would be 1.25" minimum (31.75mmOD) heavy wall moly. I have 25,32,40NB dies and formers, aswell as 1.75" (44.45) cromo die and former. So I may need to buy a 1.25" for this job also. |
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