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| Author: | shane1992 [ Tue May 03, 2011 5:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | honeing the cylinders of a block? |
How hard and risky is it doing this yourself? Ive gotten quotes from engine reco places from $80 to $140 for it... But I know its possible to buy the hone tool and do it yourself... This is my first engine rebuild, Ive got mates helping me, but none of them have actualy honed a cylinder before.. I know you have to get the right angle etc when doing it.... Should I just go ahead and let the pros that do it every day do it? cheers, Shane |
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| Author: | shakes [ Tue May 03, 2011 5:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
The tool is close to that money. If your confident with your skills buy it. If your unsure you will end up spending alot more 
We have used a cheap drill fitting to hone the bores of a couple of cheapo rebuilds. Worked ok. but they were definately budget rebuilds. |
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| Author: | want33s [ Tue May 03, 2011 5:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
$80 to $140 for just a hone.... 
I rebuilt a 1.0 motor a while ago and 40 thou bore AND hone only cost $120. If you have never done it before I'd suggest you at least watch someone do it before you attempt to... Get it wrong and your new engine will glaze bores and use lots of oil.... |
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| Author: | royce [ Tue May 03, 2011 5:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
how have you determined your bore and pistons are alright to go with jsut a hone? |
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| Author: | vl2dy4 [ Tue May 03, 2011 6:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
Mate i rebuilt a LS1 Gen 3 poo box, i ordered a FLEXI HONE from enginehones.com they were about 1/4 of the price than purchasing from Australia. Flexihones last for years and they give a better finish than the springloaded 3 stoned hone, also they are a shit load easier to use. you just need to know the bore size and match a flexi hone that is just a little bigger. I can tell you now that for a 4" hone it cost me under $80 delivered from the states. Conrad |
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| Author: | shane1992 [ Tue May 03, 2011 6:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
royce wrote: how have you determined your bore and pistons are alright to go with jsut a hone?
Thats another point... Im also considering just getting oversized pistons and rings and boreing it out..... Does anybody have a an idea how much that costs? And is there anything else I have to change besides getting larger pistions and rings... If I just get the hone job, Ill pay soemone to do it I think... |
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| Author: | sideways [ Tue May 03, 2011 6:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
Buy a hone (mount in drill style) and grab a few lawn mowers (not 2 strokes!) or even better, an old car engine from the tip and practice. Only give your engine a light hone though, if it still has cross hatching I wouldn't bother. It's pretty hard to fuck it up.  The stones can be pretty fragile though. 
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| Author: | Fatzook [ Tue May 03, 2011 6:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
I've always used a bead hone. Looks like a toilet brush with heaps of lead balls on the ends of the 'bristles'. Just cycle it up and down through the bore in a battery drill on a slow speed.
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| Author: | SierraDan [ Tue May 03, 2011 7:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
I've only ever know of bead hones until I saw a rock one at super cheap the other day. |
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| Author: | Fatzook [ Tue May 03, 2011 7:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
SierraDan wrote: I've only ever know of bead hones until I saw a rock one at super cheap the other day.
Yeah you won't find many of those in pro engine shops....... |
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| Author: | want33s [ Tue May 03, 2011 8:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
Fatzook wrote: I've always used a bead hone. Looks like a toilet brush with heaps of lead balls on the ends of the 'bristles'. Just cycle it up and down through the bore in a battery drill on a slow speed.
Lead (Pb) Pete??? I don't think so Tim.... |
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| Author: | JrZook [ Tue May 03, 2011 8:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
Fatzook wrote: I've always used a bead hone. Looks like a toilet brush with heaps of lead balls on the ends of the 'bristles'. Just cycle it up and down through the bore in a battery drill on a slow speed.
Lol id love to see your hone job after using one of these 
There's usually made of Silicon Carbide SiC (stuff I play with at uni) or Aluminium oxide (much the same as a knife sharpening stone) |
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| Author: | Fatzook [ Tue May 03, 2011 8:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
sorry. I knew it was something soft. |
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| Author: | rick1970 [ Tue May 03, 2011 8:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
As others have said, a ball hone is much easier to use. Most pro engine builders will 'finish' hone a fresh bore by hand with these, after a machine hone with 'Sunnen' type machine. Ball hones are expensive, better to pay someone to do it if you won't use the hone again. And it is easy to stuff up, expecially with a cheap 3 leg stone hone and no experiance. |
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| Author: | royce [ Tue May 03, 2011 8:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
um its not soft, its an abrasive all you lot going yeah its easy bang it in a drill and off you go? you realise there is real specific angles, depths and overall material removal rates you need to adhere to dont you? I guess it helps explain why so many people 'rebuild' engines that then proceed to still be shit or last a year before shitting themselves |
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| Author: | mattybish [ Tue May 03, 2011 8:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
honing is a real art form, it is best to spend the money and get it done by a person who does it all the time, it takes an awful lot of practice to get the correct angles and material removal rates, not to mention lubrication rates etc, i have done a 4 year apprenticeship and am only just getting to the stage where i am really happy with the quality of my honing, however getting practice on cheap, non important items such as lawnmovers etc is the best way to learn |
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Tue May 03, 2011 8:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
mattybish wrote: honing is a real art form, it is best to spend the money and get it done by a person who does it all the time, it takes an awful lot of practice to get the correct angles and material removal rates, not to mention lubrication rates etc, i have done a 4 year apprenticeship and am only just getting to the stage where i am really happy with the quality of my honing, however getting practice on cheap, non important items such as lawnmovers etc is the best way to learn
 Pfftttt!!!
327 chev was the first one i did. i do agree with you tho... 
& the 3 stone one's blow |
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| Author: | Moph [ Tue May 03, 2011 8:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
royce wrote: I guess it helps explain why so many people 'rebuild' engines that then proceed to still be shit or last a year before shitting themselves
I found that with my engine. I had a number of people on Outers say in my rebuild thread that rebuilt 1.3's often didn't make it past 20,000 kays. I had all the recon work done by a reputable engine builder and just did the teardown/rebuild myself with lots of new bits, quality oils etc. Has about 30,000km on it since then and purrs like a kitten. |
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| Author: | mondo [ Tue May 03, 2011 8:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
just make sure you get the engine bored out before you buy any pistons or rings for it |
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| Author: | royce [ Tue May 03, 2011 8:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
mondo wrote: just make sure you get the engine bored out before you buy any pistons or rings for it
shit no!!!!! ask the engine guy how far it needs to be bored to be into good metal, buy the pistons to suit then get each cylinder bored to suit that piston |
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| Author: | Rusho [ Tue May 03, 2011 8:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
steak_knife wrote: mattybish wrote: honing is a real art form, it is best to spend the money and get it done by a person who does it all the time, it takes an awful lot of practice to get the correct angles and material removal rates, not to mention lubrication rates etc, i have done a 4 year apprenticeship and am only just getting to the stage where i am really happy with the quality of my honing, however getting practice on cheap, non important items such as lawnmovers etc is the best way to learn Pfftttt!!!327 chev was the first one i did. i do agree with you tho... & the 3 stone one's blow Like he said....cheap and not important 
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| Author: | ajsr [ Tue May 03, 2011 9:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
personally I think if you want an engine worth a pinch of shit, you should just get the machining and sizing work done by a qualified engine builder at the very least. |
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| Author: | MART [ Tue May 03, 2011 9:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
For a non piston replacement with new rings a bottle brush honing tool to rough up the cylinder wall should only be used . The ridge does not have to be removed , those do it youself honing stones always taper the bore or make it more out of round. This information comes from a very professional engine reconditioner , not out my ass , it's cheap to get block's bored and cross hatched honed , my last one was $90. There a some jobs that should be left to the experts , not a butch of pissed cunts on a friday night , Rage on , Cheers Paul. 
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| Author: | shane1992 [ Wed May 04, 2011 12:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
Yeah, I think im just gunna get the pros to do it, and get it bored out if needed then get bigger pistons.... Anyone wanna buy a set of standard 1.6L Pistons and rings for cheap?
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| Author: | ball [ Sat May 07, 2011 11:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
MART wrote: For a non piston replacement with new rings a bottle brush honing tool to rough up the cylinder wall should only be used . The ridge does not have to be removed , those do it youself honing stones always taper the bore or make it more out of round. This information comes from a very professional engine reconditioner , not out my ass , it's cheap to get block's bored and cross hatched honed , my last one was $90. There a some jobs that should be left to the experts , not a butch of pissed cunts on a friday night , Rage on , Cheers Paul.
Where has the cross hatch gone
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| Author: | billrogers [ Sat May 07, 2011 12:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
ball wrote: MART wrote: For a non piston replacement with new rings a bottle brush honing tool to rough up the cylinder wall should only be used . The ridge does not have to be removed , those do it youself honing stones always taper the bore or make it more out of round. This information comes from a very professional engine reconditioner , not out my ass , it's cheap to get block's bored and cross hatched honed , my last one was $90. There a some jobs that should be left to the experts , not a butch of pissed cunts on a friday night , Rage on , Cheers Paul. Where has the cross hatch gone |
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| Author: | skyman [ Sat May 07, 2011 5:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: honeing the cylinders of a block? |
Quote: A short lived oil burner in progress??
I doubt we'd see one of those from Mart. He does top work. |
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