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jonno_racing

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Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 8164 Location: Tassie
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 Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:05 pm |
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just a random thing i have noticed. do all Suzuki 4's have the same exhaust note? i was just looking at ataris vid and his s j20a and it sounds identical to my g13b that sounds identical to my old g13a... is it in the length of the exhaust? whats with it? just a interesting thing i have noticed! its a great sound that is diffrent to all other 4's that i have herd.
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monley

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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
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 MY m13a sounds nothing like the 'g' series motor's.
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jonno_racing

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Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 8164 Location: Tassie
Vehicle: suzuki
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 Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:12 pm |
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i will add jazzors m13a sounds nothing like that. so m series aside......
i just find it strange that they can have a completely different valve set up but still get the same note...
also 11evl's buggie G16B had the same note when it was smashing the limmiter at tuff truck.
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monley

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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
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exhaust size maybe??
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jonno_racing

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Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 8164 Location: Tassie
Vehicle: suzuki
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 Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:16 pm |
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i was thinking that. size and route though the car...
some one must know!
i was expecting my g13b to sound like a ricer... but it sounds exactly the same as my g13a (different exhaust all together)
they are 2 very different motors, even the port angles are radically different
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atari4x4

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Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:30 pm Posts: 34842 Location: East Radelayed
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 Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:17 pm |
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i take that as an insult phil, stinkin' coily driver
the muffler/cat makes the note, it just has that typical twin cam 4 cyl bark
ricers sound like ricers due to their shit idea of what a muffler is.
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jonno_racing

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Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 8164 Location: Tassie
Vehicle: suzuki
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 Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:22 pm |
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im not sure thats the case gus..
some engines have a "note" that no matter what u do its the engine note.. take the 4age.. u can here a twinky and id it from miles way when its sinning deep in to the 7***rpm range...
and most of the cars that make the "zook note" are g13a's carbi fed 8 valve singe cams.
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Lockie666

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Joined: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:30 pm Posts: 1874 Location: Perth
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You need a turbo Jonno
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jonno_racing

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Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 8164 Location: Tassie
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 Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:33 pm |
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nah i have more than enough power for what i do. ask zook95.. his eyes lit up today when i puched it in the soft stuff.
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Chop

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Joined: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 6456 Location: Radelaide ofcourse!
Vehicle: Suzuki GV 03/ 2010 DDIS NGV
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 Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:42 pm |
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atari's doesnt sound like any suzuki ive heard before
The vids dont do it justice and sounds nice in the dead of darkness when you can hear it going up gorilla snot hill 
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want33s

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Joined: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 8134 Location: Sunshine Coast Qld
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Engine size and firing order are what makes the distinctive sound.... That is why SWB or LWB with or without extractors and/or cat conv all sound very similar.
Same reason 308 Holdens sound shit and 302 Ford (Windsors) sound sooo good. Firing order.
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fordem
Joined: Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:30 pm Posts: 2656 Location: Georgetown, Guyana
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want33s wrote: Engine size and firing order are what makes the distinctive sound.... That is why SWB or LWB with or without extractors and/or cat conv all sound very similar.
Same reason 308 Holdens sound shit and 302 Ford (Windsors) sound sooo good. Firing order.
I don't know where you get that idea from, but it's a load of crap.
Most four cylinders have a 1-3-4-2 firing order, and if we used your "theory" a 1.3 BMC A-series would sound similar to 1.3 Suzuki G13B - they don't - they are both distinctly different.
As a second example - I have two Mitsubishi 4G63 engined vehicles here - same engine size, same firing order - and they sound NOTHING like one another.
For the third example - I have two Suzuki G13B engined vehicles, again same engine size, same firing order - and they too sound nothing like one another.
Strangely enough - at idle & low rpm operation - one of the G13B engined vehicles sounds a lot like one of the 4G63 engined vehicles - close enough that if you're not looking out the window, when they pull up in front of the house, you can't tell which is which from the sound.
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want33s

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Joined: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 8134 Location: Sunshine Coast Qld
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fordem wrote: want33s wrote: Engine size and firing order are what makes the distinctive sound.... That is why SWB or LWB with or without extractors and/or cat conv all sound very similar.
Same reason 308 Holdens sound shit and 302 Ford (Windsors) sound sooo good. Firing order. I don't know where you get that idea from, but it's a load of crap. Most four cylinders have a 1-3-4-2 firing order, and if we used your "theory" a 1.3 BMC A-series would sound similar to 1.3 Suzuki G13B - they don't - they are both distinctly different. As a second example - I have two Mitsubishi 4G63 engined vehicles here - same engine size, same firing order - and they sound NOTHING like one another. For the third example - I have two Suzuki G13B engined vehicles, again same engine size, same firing order - and they too sound nothing like one another. Strangely enough - at idle & low rpm operation - one of the G13B engined vehicles sounds a lot like one of the 4G63 engined vehicles - close enough that if you're not looking out the window, when they pull up in front of the house, you can't tell which is which from the sound.
You are entitled to your opinion... Even if I think it is wrong. 
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boostedbrick

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Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:44 am Posts: 2003 Location: Brisbane
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I played round with different mufflers on my volvo in an attempt to change the note but it didn't really work. one muffler may have been quieter than another but the note was the same. The only thing that made a difference was a fart cannon, and that sounded like a bourbon bog after a hard night...
My G16b with single highflow muffler sounds great on the limiter, and sound slike any other G16b out there.
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Taylor74
Joined: Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:26 am Posts: 198 Location: Perth WA
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Put a big enough exhaust on a G16a Vitara and it can sound like a WRX at idle and low revs. Think some people need to get there ears checked. None of them sound alike if you listen.
All exhaust notes depend on the exhaust size, length, bends, mufflers and Manifolds. A J20 sounds completly different at 6500rpm compared to a G13Ba at the same revs.
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zook95

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Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:07 am Posts: 635 Location: wauchope NSW
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jonno_racing wrote: nah i have more than enough power for what i do. ask zook95.. his eyes lit up today when i puched it in the soft stuff.
i even gotto drive it 
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JrZook
Joined: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 5517 Location: Holland Park
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Mean piston velocity combined with bore/stroke ratio as well as cam specs I believe.
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Kermy87
Joined: Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:13 am Posts: 348 Location: Hervey bay QLD
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A previous bitza motor I built g13a bored block, g13b ported polished shaved head, flattop pistons, heavy camm ,ect ect sounded absaloutly nothing like the stock as g13b engine I replaced it with, using the same extractors and highflow cat exhaust, It had a hell of alot more of a bark and was border line probably to noisy after I swapped it out,
I personally think there is alot of factors into the SIERRA note as such, previously stated in other posts, engine size, exhaust size , length,bends, mufflers, catts, Extractors/standard exhaust manifold, injected, carby the list goes on,
All in all I u found 2 Suzuki"s that sounded identical, I'd love to hear it
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Reubs
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 1522 Location: Brisbane
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jonno_racing wrote: do all Suzuki 4's have the same exhaust note?
I have 2 sierras and a vitara. One is G13 and stock. One is G16 with 1.3 head and the other is G16. All carby. None sound even remotely close.
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atari4x4

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Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:30 pm Posts: 34842 Location: East Radelayed
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 Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:11 am |
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Chop wrote: atari's doesnt sound like any suzuki ive heard before The vids dont do it justice and sounds nice in the dead of darkness when you can hear it going up gorilla snot hill 
 hahahaha, there is definately no stealth mode @ 6000rpm but around town it can be quiet if i'm nice to it.
originally it was just a cat back 2.25" exhaust with a muffler, then after fitting a hi-flo metallic cat it changed the note slightly & now had a bit more bark to it. the coolest thing is it now makes the burbles you get from over run.
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atari4x4

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Reubs wrote: jonno_racing wrote: do all Suzuki 4's have the same exhaust note? I have 2 sierras and a vitara. One is G13 and stock. One is G16 with 1.3 head and the other is G16. All carby. None sound even remotely close.
i think jonno must be audioretared
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alexvitara

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Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:45 am Posts: 1602 Location: Gold Coast
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Taylor74 wrote: Put a big enough exhaust on a G16a Vitara and it can sound like a WRX at idle and low revs.
 not without a boxer engine it wont.
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
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alexvitara wrote: Taylor74 wrote: Put a big enough exhaust on a G16a Vitara and it can sound like a WRX at idle and low revs.  not without a boxer engine it wont.
My TT V6 300ZX sounded like a WRX. Had that meaty WRX throb. And no Boxer motor in sight 
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buzbox
Joined: Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 3600 Location: Wollongong NSW
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 Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:57 am |
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I think it's just a suzuki thing.. My old tinny which had a 7.5Hp zook outboard reminded me of the Vit.
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TasRat
Joined: Mon May 16, 2011 8:00 am Posts: 75 Location: Tassie
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For $20 you can buy a pod, stick it in the cig lighter tune ya radio, crank it up and have your zook sound like an F1, that'll make the neighbours look twice

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fluffoffal
Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:16 am Posts: 90 Location: Sunshine Coast
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My 92 vitara came with an aftermarket exhaust already on it and it sounds like shit. Can't hear my music and can't have a conversation. Hideous.
Got to fix it asap.
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Teracis
Joined: Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:03 pm Posts: 2261 Location: Gold Coast
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Mine is stupidly loud inside the cab, and driving around in an undercover carpark or under a bridge, the thing sounds like the ricers that drive around with a milo tin on the exhaust...
It has character though!
Oh and on the highway you have a couple of different noises to choose from, exhaust noise, transfer whine, road noise or stereo!
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31zook
Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 9242 Location: maito
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mine is short and throaty..... like the fumes come inside the cab and hurt my eyes and throat 
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SierraDan

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Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:55 pm Posts: 9348 Location: Newcastle
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 Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:20 am |
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Haha, doesn't your exhaust finish just past your transfer?
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MacDaddy

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Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 10453 Location: Perth, Australia
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atari4x4 wrote: Chop wrote: atari's doesnt sound like any suzuki ive heard before The vids dont do it justice and sounds nice in the dead of darkness when you can hear it going up gorilla snot hill   hahahaha, there is definately no stealth mode @ 6000rpm but around town it can be quiet if i'm nice to it. originally it was just a cat back 2.25" exhaust with a muffler, then after fitting a hi-flo metallic cat it changed the note slightly & now had a bit more bark to it. the coolest thing is it now makes the burbles you get from over run.
Yeah i like the burbles too... sounds good when you are in 2nd and take your foot off the gas around 3500rpm... 
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