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| Author: | Bennyzarb [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Gti in Sierra |
Hi I want to do a gti conversion I can get one for $500 with only 60K km on it what do I need to do to my 1.3 1992 Sierra to get it running Connecting radiator Fan/thermofan Dissy Fuel pump ? |
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| Author: | angus350 [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
http://pulsr.net/g13b/ has some stuff on it ^^^ |
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| Author: | Bennyzarb [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
Thanks mate helps heaps |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
jonno's write up is in the tech section. http://auszookers.com/index.php?name=Ne ... cle&sid=41 |
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| Author: | cbzook [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
Wat year model is the swift engine?? |
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| Author: | Bennyzarb [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
Not shaw I will have to ask him |
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| Author: | BlueSuzy [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
So your going to risk it? Engine performance modifications that require an engineers' certificate. http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/get ... tml?llid=4 Yeah the cops may be quieter out here, but it takes only one to open your bonnet. Then you can't drive your car. |
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| Author: | squibby [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
BlueSuzy wrote: So your going to risk it?
Engine performance modifications that require an engineers' certificate. http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/get ... tml?llid=4 Yeah the cops may be quieter out here, but it takes only one to open your bonnet. Then you can't drive your car. Bennyzarb, don't get put off by quotes like the one above. You can do it mate, sometimes in life people who know sweet FA about a subject make rules like those in NSW related to vehicle modifications. I for one come from a different country and different culture and some of the rules in NSW are hard to comprehend, but if you research the subject and fill in whatever forms or comply with whatever inspections the RTA deems neccesary and you'll have an awesome road legal zook. Don't get scared off by the red tape, thats exactly what the RTA want. It won't be as hard as it seems. |
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| Author: | v6zookie [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
it's still only a 1.3 Ask your engineer first |
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| Author: | BlueSuzy [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
squibby wrote: BlueSuzy wrote: So your going to risk it? Engine performance modifications that require an engineers' certificate. http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/get ... tml?llid=4 Yeah the cops may be quieter out here, but it takes only one to open your bonnet. Then you can't drive your car. Bennyzarb, don't get put off by quotes like the one above. You can do it mate, sometimes in life people who know sweet FA about a subject make rules like those in NSW related to vehicle modifications. I for one come from a different country and different culture and some of the rules in NSW are hard to comprehend, but if you research the subject and fill in whatever forms or comply with whatever inspections the RTA deems neccesary and you'll have an awesome road legal zook. Don't get scared off by the red tape, thats exactly what the RTA want. It won't be as hard as it seems. Obviously you didnt read the link subject. This link was not for engineering, but it was for him to able to drive the bloody thing. P1P2 Cannot drive a engineered motor for performance. Yeah you could get an exemption, but good luck. |
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| Author: | cbzook [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
I'm about to try n register mine with gti conversion, I have spoken with many mechanics about it n majority if them all say it's just a change of details on rego papers as it uses standard mounts etc, on the rta website there is a guide line on vehicle mods n it gives a breif indication of what u can n can't do. I called a engineer and he was a waste of time, he didn't think it needed a report cause no modifications are needed n the blocks are basically identical on the out side but he just kept saying yeah don't know.... F@*k Wat anyone says bout goin g13b swap Aswell, I've driven mine n jonno_racing's n they go like a cat shot in the ass an there's nothing like the sound of 7900 limiter ripping through the mud they love it |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
in SA it would be a 20min job at a motor reg office to fill out the paper work advise them on the new engine number due to it being the same capacity. |
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| Author: | JrZook [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
cbzook wrote: I'm about to try n register mine with gti conversion, I have spoken with many mechanics about it n majority if them all say it's just a change of details on rego papers as it uses standard mounts etc, on the rta website there is a guide line on vehicle mods n it gives a breif indication of what u can n can't do. I called a engineer and he was a waste of time, he didn't think it needed a report cause no modifications are needed n the blocks are basically identical on the out side but he just kept saying yeah don't know....
F@*k Wat anyone says bout goin g13b swap Aswell, I've driven mine n jonno_racing's n they go like a cat shot in the ass an there's nothing like the sound of 7900 limiter ripping through the mud they love it I believe the issue here is that you have made major mods to the stock fueling system. You are no longer running a low pressure fuel system but a 3Bar EFI setup. Obviously a major hazard if not carried out properly |
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| Author: | sogone [ Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
In the Territory it's a simple form that states the new engine number. So long as it's not 20% bigger in capacity, not older then the current engine in your vehicle then it's no problem. Also they applaud you if you go EFi as it's healthier for the enviornment. That being said you can't go from a EFi to a carbie induction. thats a no no. |
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| Author: | neofitou [ Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
Similar situation in VIC, My engineer said the only thing he had to check was the fuel system, and it would be no issue at all. |
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| Author: | Bennyzarb [ Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
Hmmm ok thanks everyone I will ring an engineer and check |
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| Author: | shakes [ Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
neofitou wrote: Similar situation in VIC, My engineer said the only thing he had to check was the fuel system, and it would be no issue at all.
I vaguely remember a number of 15% max power increase before engineers is needed. Can't find any documentation to find it so has probably changed. |
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| Author: | shakes [ Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
Cause I'm bored I'll add some tech.. Clutch and flywheel Dizzy and thermostat Autos g13b arguing good/bad Firing order Extractors Radiator Hoses Install Tech Vaccum Advance Build thread by Chinny, Picture and tech heavy Fuel system Manual as a Zip file Should answer most questions 
Shout out any dead links and I'll update them |
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| Author: | cbzook [ Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... v_2007.pdf Examples of minor (owner certified) modifications are: ???? Engine changes where the capacity increase is less than 15% above the maximum size engine available for the vehicle (providing no major structural modifications are necessary and where noise and/or exhaust emission ADRs apply, all standard equipment such as carburettors, exhaust systems, exhaust gas recirculating valves, oxygen sensors and catalytic convertors relating to noise and emission control are retained and operate correctly). |
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| Author: | Fatzook [ Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
cbzook wrote: http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi_06_-_guidelines_for_light_vehicle_modifications_nov_2007.pdf
Examples of minor (owner certified) modifications are: ???? Engine changes where the capacity increase is less than 15% above the maximum size engine available for the vehicle (providing no major structural modifications are necessary and where noise and/or exhaust emission ADRs apply, all standard equipment such as carburettors, exhaust systems, exhaust gas recirculating valves, oxygen sensors and catalytic convertors relating to noise and emission control are retained and operate correctly). That extract does not mention fuel systems changes, which I read as saying that an EFI swap will sit outside the scope of owner certification. And in your case CB, you have modified a major structural component of your vehicle..... The fire wall. |
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| Author: | masterA [ Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
| Author: | Fatzook [ Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
I'd wager that the sierra flywheel is heavier than the GTI one, making it better for offroad use. But the GTI flywheel may be harmonicly balanced with the rest of the crank assembly, so perhaps its better to use IT? 
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| Author: | masterA [ Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
Yeah...i thought about that too but i also thought about the starter motor....GTi and the Sierra COULD be the same but im not 100% sure on that either (which is why i though that the Sierra flywheel/flutch was the was to go) I think i also read somewhere that some people used a combination.....GTi flywheel and sierra clutch or the other way around?! |
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| Author: | cbzook [ Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
sierra clutch/flywheel n starter is the go that's what i used, also my car got rego'd straight change of engine details is all it was |
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| Author: | UBZ [ Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
My Gti came with a GTi flywheel and clutch. Know it has a Sierra Flywheel and clutch Gti flywheel is lighter and will spin up to revs faster. Seirra flywheel is heaver and slightly better for idling along at low revs. Seirra starter for both , as you are bolting up to a Seirra Gearbox |
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| Author: | masterA [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gti in Sierra |
Last night took the engine out of the Sierra and had a quick look.....the GTi clutch can't go onto the gearbox output shaft due to having a different spline so it will definatelly be the Sierra flywheel and clutch plus the sierra starter motor that you need to use wouldn't have been able to go onto the GTi flywheel Thanks for the replies |
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