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| Author: | whincup [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Clutch replacement query |
as the title suggests, i have a question about changing the clutch... can the transmission be removed from the engine without removing the starter motor? reason being, the morons who rebuilt my starter motor stripped one of the 2 bolts holding it in place, and after many failed attempts by me to remove it, i took it to a workshop to see if they could remove it... after an hour they told me they couldnt do it (didnt charge me obviously) and suggested it would be easiest to just remove the whole engine and transmission together so i can get a grinder, or easy out to it easier... with both out, can the transmission be unbolted or does the starter hold it together? |
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| Author: | SierraDan [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
I think it has to come off. I forget. |
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| Author: | joel [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
stripped the head of the bolt? cut the head off another bolt and weld it to the old bolt head, than undo with a spanner as per normal. or undo it with vice grips. also there a socket heads made for striped bolt heads, some work very well... some dont. |
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| Author: | whincup [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
...most of the head is gone. by "failed attempts" i mean i tried everything including the cold chisel and a hammer method. and the mechanic i took it to to remove it pretty much destroyed what was left of it... |
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| Author: | joel [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
than you only option that i can think of mate is to. cut the head off another bolt and weld it to the buggered head so you have something to chuck a spanner on, hit it with some good wd-40 type stuff to loosen up its grip, also once the other head is welded on it, try to tighten the bolt a bit, this will loosen it off it is seized. if you cant weld, find someone who can. also you could try drill it out, but that will be hard. another thing i have seen is welding a socket head on it real good. than just use a ratchet to get it off, replace bolt and will cost you a socket head. |
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| Author: | zooky08 [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
Try get a good quality vice grips onto it |
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| Author: | stockman [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
The started has to come off. Might be easier to pull the motor and box out and tackle it out of the car. |
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| Author: | joe5701 [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
delicate oxy job |
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| Author: | whincup [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
stockman wrote: The started has to come off. not what i wanted to hear  stockman wrote: Might be easier to pull the motor and box out and tackle it out of the car.
thats the plan atm, bludy PITA... so would an easyout or similar work ok? or is it a better to just weld bolt, or a socket (got a few spares lying around)? |
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| Author: | Jackson [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
I cringe at easy outs... Maybe welding something to it out of the car would be easier? |
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| Author: | stockman [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
Is it the top bolt or bottom? |
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| Author: | whincup [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
bottom... Jackson wrote: I cringe at easy outs... Maybe welding something to it out of the car would be easier?
i cant weld, and have never used an easy out but keen to learn... could i just grind the top of the bolt off, remove the starter & transmission, and look at removing the rest of the bolt with an easy out or the weld another bolt to it once its all apart? would it be easier or no? |
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| Author: | joel [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
if its just one bolt giving you the hassle, you could grind it, but you would have to do a good job and grind the head completely off, and give the starter a bit of a touch up to take off the lip. thn just take the other bolt off, and you would have to pry the starter off a bit, that vise grips to get the bolt out and happy days, i would try all above options before taking the engine and all that out. |
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| Author: | stockman [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
The worst of the two. The top is bolt and nut and the bottom it bolt into thread on box. Assuming you have stripped the nut head and not the thread try a socket. You will need a thin walled socket (might even need to grind one down) an extension and a uni. Hopefully that will give you enough bite. If not then a nut welded on would be the next best option imo. |
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| Author: | Jackson [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
Easy outs are pretty easy to use just drill a hole in the bolt and turn the easy out to the left and they undo the bolt. Problem is they are brittle and snap easily then they are harder then drill bits 
Grinding the head off might be an easier option though it is probably in a shit spot... |
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| Author: | whincup [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
joel wrote: i would try all above options before taking the engine and all that out.
needs to come out because theres fuel lines about 2" from the bolt... as a rule, i prefer no grinding near something like that. |
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| Author: | Jackson [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
Just take the engine out. It will make everything easier... Doing the clutch, cutting the bolt, etc plus its not even hard to lift out. I know coilys aren't the same but NT's are like 10-15 bolts to take the front guard, front grill and inner guards off definitely makes lifting the lot out easier too. |
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| Author: | pyrohamish [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
you can buy twist sockets, they are essentially a easy out but for ruined bolt heads http://www.tengtools.com.au/9-pce-twist-socket-set.html otherwise a small pipe wrench or vice grips, bit by bit |
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| Author: | FullyZooked [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
This is hardly means to pull the whole engine and gearbox out. Twist sockets are the first thing I'd be trying. If this fails a cold chiesel. The bolt will only need a good 1/4-1/2 turn until it comes loose. I know it's in a prick of a spot so try move as much shit out of your way as possible. If all else fails, disconnect fuel output on tank and isolate. Blow remaining fuel out of lines, grab the 4" with a 1mm cut off disk and cut between the bellhousing and the engine to cut the fucker in half. |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
read & learn with shep... it gets slightly off topic. 
http://auszookers.com/index.php?name=Fo ... wheel+weld |
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| Author: | FullyZooked [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
whincup wrote: ...most of the head is gone. by "failed attempts" i mean i tried everything including the cold chisel and a hammer method. and the mechanic i took it to to remove it pretty much destroyed what was left of it...
Missed this. Ditch the cold chiesel idea! And probably the twist socket idea. Sounds like the head of the bolt looks like a half eaten pastie. Only good thing for it is a cut off disk. Keep us updated. |
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| Author: | FullyZooked [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
Thanks Atari, that threads a pisser! |
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| Author: | whincup [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
atari4x4 wrote: read & learn with shep... it gets slightly off topic.
http://auszookers.com/index.php?name=Fo ... wheel+weld i'll have a read of that when i get home from work. but coming from shep, i know its gotta be good
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| Author: | stockman [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
I'd be suprised if you can get a twist socket in there. A ring spanner only just fits on there. |
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| Author: | TZAR [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
die grinder and carbide burr or dremel with small burr or cut off wheel they are rather small and easy to use but will take time. a lot less time than removing the engine though 
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| Author: | whincup [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch replacement query |
TZAR wrote: die grinder and carbide burr or dremel with small burr or cut off wheel
they are rather small and easy to use but will take time. a lot less time than removing the engine though everythings undone except engine mounts and transmission mounts, ready to remove on the weekend... wish i had the money to go G16B while it was out
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