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Author:  basketcase [ Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Merc Arms and Rod ends?
I will be moving my front diff forward soon with either RUF or just drilling the spring perch.

Looking at using a merc steering arm to get crossover to try and avoid the arms touching. Anyone used this and got pics?

Also anyone know where to get rod ends. Will make a new drag link out of thicker tube and need some new rod ends to suit.
Author:  joeblow [ Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:35 pm ]
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A- if you want the thing to be legal don't use rod ends.
B- if you want the thing to steer nice don't use rod ends. you will find these will chop out very quicky and i've seen many torn apart. i've tried using rod ends years ago......bad choice. if you want a hi-steer arm made i can make you one.
Author:  Damo [ Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:46 pm ]
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basketcase wrote:
I will be moving my front diff forward soon with either RUF or just drilling the spring perch.

Looking at using a merc steering arm to get crossover to try and avoid the arms touching. Anyone used this and got pics?


Interesting idea, hadn't thought of that before!

basketcase wrote:
Also anyone know where to get rod ends. Will make a new drag link out of thicker tube and need some new rod ends to suit.


CBC bearings does them. I have a contact there if you want some, might work out a little cheaper.

Just playing the devil's advocate here (ok, ok. Joe's advocate :lol: ) Have you thought about cutting a taper in the Merc arm and running something like a 80 series TRE?
Author:  joeblow [ Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:53 pm ]
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yes....much better idea. good one damo.... :wink:
Author:  royce [ Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:45 am ]
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there are 2 types of rod end, shit ones and good ones, if you dont go shit when they tell you the price they arent the good ones :P

will the merc arm clear the chassis rail spring under?
Author:  basketcase [ Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Merc Arms and Rod ends?
joeblow wrote:
A- if you want the thing to be legal don't use rod ends.
B- if you want the thing to steer nice don't use rod ends. you will find these will chop out very quicky and i've seen many torn apart. i've tried using rod ends years ago......bad choice. if you want a hi-steer arm made i can make you one.


Did I get something wrong?? I thought rod ends was just the name for ball joint thingy on the end of drag links and rod ties??

I did think about 80's or bigger ones, saw the kits on lowrangeoffroad. But I thought by reeming out the merc arm, pitman arm and the arms on the knuckles I would be weaken them all. You have to reem the merc arm as it is to fit the sierra.

royce wrote:
will the merc arm clear the chassis rail spring under?


Don't know. From what I have read on OL there was no mention of it being bad with SPUA. I will be increasing the bumpstops alot because I will not be installing a body lift and it will be some time beforeI get around to a virtual lift.

Damo can you PM me that contact??
Author:  joeblow [ Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:36 am ]
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heim joints or rose joints are often reffered to as rod ends.
if your talking tapered sealed type better off callin them tie rod ends or ball joints.
Author:  Damo [ Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:44 am ]
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basketcase wrote:
...thought by reeming out the merc arm, pitman arm and the arms on the knuckles I would be weaken them all.


There should be enough material in the arms Suzuki knuckle housings, the pitman and the merc arm to safely ream them out to suit something like an 80 series TRE. I have a tapered sleeve in my pitman arm that reduces the size of the hole so that I can bolt a stock Sierra drag link to it. The sleeve isn't very thick. It's a Tarago arm, which apparantly takes a 80 series size TRE.

basketcase wrote:
You have to reem the merc arm as it is to fit the sierra.


You just need to egg out one of the holes dont you? You shouldn't need to remove much material.
Author:  Aerenandmel [ Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:22 pm ]
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I used merc arms on my WT diffs and used a NT tie rod, engineer passed it, drives great too! My good freind tells my If you want to leave the tie rod in its standard position and lift the drag link use one merc arm and then use a jimny drag link. 8O
Author:  basketcase [ Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:33 am ]
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Aerenandmel wrote:
I used merc arms on my WT diffs and used a NT tie rod, engineer passed it, drives great too! My good freind tells my If you want to leave the tie rod in its standard position and lift the drag link use one merc arm and then use a jimny drag link. 8O


Got any pics of your set up??

I have found the arm at German Wrecking. Just got go get it. Will look into that jimny arm idea and give Damo's mate a call if that doesn't work out.
Author:  Aerenandmel [ Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:44 am ]
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basketcase wrote:
Aerenandmel wrote:
I used merc arms on my WT diffs and used a NT tie rod, engineer passed it, drives great too! My good freind tells my If you want to leave the tie rod in its standard position and lift the drag link use one merc arm and then use a jimny drag link. 8O


Got any pics of your set up??

I have found the arm at German Wrecking. Just got go get it. Will look into that jimny arm idea and give Damo's mate a call if that doesn't work out.


no pics, ill have to get one soon for ya,

come to think of it my dad has an FJ40 steering arm modified to fit a zook, tis engineered and is a zook a lot of people respect for its high level of detail and engineering.
Author:  basketcase [ Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:01 pm ]
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royce wrote:
will the merc arm clear the chassis rail spring under?


Want to sort these arms out this week. Anyone know if these arms will clear with SPUA????????????
Author:  joeblow [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:45 am ]
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anyone got a pic?
Author:  Zook_Fan [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:08 am ]
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how high do you go before you need to change your steering with things like high arm steering and is this legal?
Author:  basketcase [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:34 pm ]
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Zook_Fan wrote:
how high do you go before you need to change your steering with things like high arm steering and is this legal?


Not sure. I am not doing this because of height, I want to move my diff forward for clearance so I don't have to lift more to fit bigger tyres.. You don't need any bigger than a 2 inch spring lift anyway and steering arms are fine for 2 inch.
Author:  Brett [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:13 pm ]
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has any one ever made a plate and moved the whole steering box forward? go a cressieda box at the same time so you have power steering.

plate would be cheap to make don't know how you would go with the rta.
Author:  Damo [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:40 pm ]
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Brett wrote:
has any one ever made a plate and moved the whole steering box forward? go a cressieda box at the same time so you have power steering.

plate would be cheap to make don't know how you would go with the rta.


Not much room to move it forward because of the standard crossmember. It could be done though, and you will gain a little bit. I have an adapter plate that lets me bolt a Vitara PS box onto Sierra.
Author:  lump_a_charcoal [ Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:58 pm ]
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Basket case, let me know how you go, as I have been thinking of doing a hi steer setup for a while...

Joeblow, I PM'd you...
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