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Author:  nato78 [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:32 am ]
Post subject:  Gti motor

I've been offered a very low km g13b gti twin cam motor at a good price, only missing dizzy and exhaust manifold.

I've read all the pros and cons regarding the use of these motors in a Sierra, but as far as I'm concerned anything will be better than what's in there now.

What I want to know is are there any tricks or hidden problems with installing these motors into a Sierra, especially with the efi and electrics?

Author:  jonno_racing [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:44 am ]
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what mk is it mate?

Author:  shakes [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:46 am ]
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nothing too specific...

http://www.auszookers.com/index.php?nam ... hlight=gti

Author:  nato78 [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:49 am ]
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jonno_racing wrote:
what mk is it mate?

Out of a 97 model swift, only has 51,000 on the clock :D

Author:  simobimo [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:50 am ]
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Make sure you grab the engine bay and underdash looms for it and the wiring will be a piece of piss.

You're welcome to look at mine if you get stuck.

You'll need the dizzy and exhaust manifold (as a base), so you best get them sorted.

Simo

Author:  jonno_racing [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:59 am ]
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its mk2/3 then.. no angle drive for you..

i am currently doing a mk3 conversion for a forum member. when are u planning on installing it? i can come lend a hand mate.

Author:  nato78 [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:02 am ]
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If I buy it, I'll get it this wk. Would like to have it in by the wheeny creek trip

Author:  angus350 [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:06 am ]
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i have done a fair bit of reading about it because i am going to be doing it to mine soon but why does the angle drive kit not fit for mk2/3?

cheers

Author:  stockman [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:07 am ]
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nato78 wrote:
If I buy it, I'll get it this wk. Would like to have it in by the wheeny creek trip


You coming in the Sierra or Jimny?

Author:  nato78 [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:10 am ]
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stockman wrote:
nato78 wrote:
If I buy it, I'll get it this wk. Would like to have it in by the wheeny creek trip


You coming in the Sierra or Jimny?

Sierra, don't own a jimny

Author:  stockman [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:14 am ]
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nato78 wrote:
stockman wrote:
nato78 wrote:
If I buy it, I'll get it this wk. Would like to have it in by the wheeny creek trip


You coming in the Sierra or Jimny?

Sierra, don't own a jimny


:? For some reason I thought you had one :lol:

Author:  cbzook [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:23 am ]
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the mk 2/3 dizzy has a crank angle sensor mk 1 does not

Author:  nato78 [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:30 am ]
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Don't you swap the dizzy out for a Mazda 323 one anyway?

Never mind, misread that, only the cap and rotor

Author:  jonno_racing [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:41 am ]
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no
u use the cap and a modified rottor button.. i fitted one yesterday... not exactly straight forward and dosent exactly fit.

i can come fit, wire etc for you..

i am doing a mk3 atm started lunch time yesterday..
all i have to do is wiring, fit starter, fuel tank back in (swimmer pump) and figure out intake pipeing..
so should be started tomorrow night. however i have worked hard and fast on this one.. i also made a pretty stainless top radiator hose today. etc..

Author:  nato78 [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:49 am ]
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Might give you a buzz tomorrow Phil, once i sort out what I'm gunna do

Author:  jonno_racing [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:16 pm ]
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yeah sure, i am free next week, i think... i can come down and fit/wire for cash.

Author:  SierraDan [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:17 pm ]
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you would! :D

Author:  jonno_racing [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:24 pm ]
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SierraDan wrote:
you would! :D


its how i am making my living atm.. conversions and making shit.

Author:  nato78 [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:25 pm ]
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jonno_racing wrote:
yeah sure, i am free next week, i think... i can come down and fit/wire for cash.

If I get the motor, I'll definately take you up on that offer

Author:  jonno_racing [ Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:38 pm ]
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nato78 wrote:
jonno_racing wrote:
yeah sure, i am free next week, i think... i can come down and fit/wire for cash.

If I get the motor, I'll definately take you up on that offer


this was my first effort at top cooling hose today 2... i will tig them in future but u get the idea

Image

Author:  masterA [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:03 am ]
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angus350 wrote:
i have done a fair bit of reading about it because i am going to be doing it to mine soon but why does the angle drive kit not fit for mk2/3?

cheers


According to Derek from SuziSport....you CAN use the angle drive kit on the MK2/3 engines HOWEVER....you will need to buy a Vitara EFI dizzy/cap/roto and fit that
Apparently he has done it quite a few times

I will let you know in 2-3 weeks how it goes coz i brought the angle drive and a 92' Vitara EFI dizzy/cap/rotor (just need to get my engine back from the machine shop)

Author:  Fatzook [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:20 am ]
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masterA wrote:
angus350 wrote:
i have done a fair bit of reading about it because i am going to be doing it to mine soon but why does the angle drive kit not fit for mk2/3?

cheers


According to Derek from SuziSport....you CAN use the angle drive kit on the MK2/3 engines HOWEVER....you will need to buy a Vitara EFI dizzy/cap/roto and fit that
Apparently he has done it quite a few times

I will let you know in 2-3 weeks how it goes coz i brought the angle drive and a 92' Vitara EFI dizzy/cap/rotor (just need to get my engine back from the machine shop)


Well that flies in the face of everything Phil preaches.

I hope Dereck is right on this one. He definately knows some shit, but sometimes I wonder if he just makes it up :?

Author:  jimbo_jones [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:38 am ]
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masterA wrote:
angus350 wrote:
i have done a fair bit of reading about it because i am going to be doing it to mine soon but why does the angle drive kit not fit for mk2/3?

cheers


According to Derek from SuziSport....you CAN use the angle drive kit on the MK2/3 engines HOWEVER....you will need to buy a Vitara EFI dizzy/cap/roto and fit that
Apparently he has done it quite a few times

I will let you know in 2-3 weeks how it goes coz i brought the angle drive and a 92' Vitara EFI dizzy/cap/rotor (just need to get my engine back from the machine shop)


interesting never heard this before let us know how it go's

Author:  masterA [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:53 am ]
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Well...if he's telling me porkies he'll be getting his Vitara dizzy back and refunding me my money

Author:  jonno_racing [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:54 am ]
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jimbo_jones wrote:
masterA wrote:
angus350 wrote:
i have done a fair bit of reading about it because i am going to be doing it to mine soon but why does the angle drive kit not fit for mk2/3?

cheers


According to Derek from SuziSport....you CAN use the angle drive kit on the MK2/3 engines HOWEVER....you will need to buy a Vitara EFI dizzy/cap/roto and fit that
Apparently he has done it quite a few times

I will let you know in 2-3 weeks how it goes coz i brought the angle drive and a 92' Vitara EFI dizzy/cap/rotor (just need to get my engine back from the machine shop)


interesting never heard this before let us know how it go's


me 2 cbzook and I were discussing this the other day. very interested however I think the ign curve is different. also finding a g16b dizzy may not be that Cheep.

Author:  Fatzook [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:03 am ]
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If it des wrk, I have 2 G16B dizzy's I don't need. Both need new caps though...

Author:  JrZook [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:22 am ]
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jonno_racing wrote:
jimbo_jones wrote:
masterA wrote:
angus350 wrote:
i have done a fair bit of reading about it because i am going to be doing it to mine soon but why does the angle drive kit not fit for mk2/3?

cheers


According to Derek from SuziSport....you CAN use the angle drive kit on the MK2/3 engines HOWEVER....you will need to buy a Vitara EFI dizzy/cap/roto and fit that
Apparently he has done it quite a few times

I will let you know in 2-3 weeks how it goes coz i brought the angle drive and a 92' Vitara EFI dizzy/cap/rotor (just need to get my engine back from the machine shop)


interesting never heard this before let us know how it go's


me 2 cbzook and I were discussing this the other day. very interested however I think the ign curve is different. also finding a g16b dizzy may not be that Cheep.


G16b dizzy's don't have an advance plate. All they have is a fixed timing pick-up. Mk2/3 must use the ECU to control the timing curve.

Author:  jonno_racing [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gti motor

JrZook wrote:
jonno_racing wrote:
jimbo_jones wrote:
masterA wrote:
angus350 wrote:
i have done a fair bit of reading about it because i am going to be doing it to mine soon but why does the angle drive kit not fit for mk2/3?

cheers


According to Derek from SuziSport....you CAN use the angle drive kit on the MK2/3 engines HOWEVER....you will need to buy a Vitara EFI dizzy/cap/roto and fit that
Apparently he has done it quite a few times

I will let you know in 2-3 weeks how it goes coz i brought the angle drive and a 92' Vitara EFI dizzy/cap/rotor (just need to get my engine back from the machine shop)


interesting never heard this before let us know how it go's


me 2 cbzook and I were discussing this the other day. very interested however I think the ign curve is different. also finding a g16b dizzy may not be that Cheep.


G16b dizzy's don't have an advance plate. All they have is a fixed timing pick-up. Mk2/3 must use the ECU to control the timing curve.



so even if it did run it wouldn't be right

Author:  JrZook [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:16 am ]
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jonno_racing wrote:
JrZook wrote:
jonno_racing wrote:
jimbo_jones wrote:
masterA wrote:
angus350 wrote:
i have done a fair bit of reading about it because i am going to be doing it to mine soon but why does the angle drive kit not fit for mk2/3?

cheers


According to Derek from SuziSport....you CAN use the angle drive kit on the MK2/3 engines HOWEVER....you will need to buy a Vitara EFI dizzy/cap/roto and fit that
Apparently he has done it quite a few times

I will let you know in 2-3 weeks how it goes coz i brought the angle drive and a 92' Vitara EFI dizzy/cap/rotor (just need to get my engine back from the machine shop)


interesting never heard this before let us know how it go's


me 2 cbzook and I were discussing this the other day. very interested however I think the ign curve is different. also finding a g16b dizzy may not be that Cheep.


G16b dizzy's don't have an advance plate. All they have is a fixed timing pick-up. Mk2/3 must use the ECU to control the timing curve.



so even if it did run it wouldn't be right


Huh? MK2/3 use the ECU to control timing, they have a fixed pickup in the dizzy exactly like the G16B.

The early MK1 uses the dizzy to control the ignition timing and the ECU is fuel only.

Yea?

Author:  jonno_racing [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gti motor

sorry read that wrong. yeah spot on.
I might try get a g16b dizzy fab up an adapter and give it a run on the one I am doing atm. Pete could I loan/buy one of those dizzys?

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