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Shansh

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Joined: Sun May 23, 2010 9:35 am Posts: 1816 Location: Goulburn NSW
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 Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:06 am |
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has anyone ever tried using any parts/concepts from a big suzuki bike engine, ie, hayabusa 1300 in their g13a, etc? before anyone states the obvious & tells me they are two totally different types of engines for two totally different applications blah blah, i get all of that but i thought it might be an interesting thought considering the hayabusa is close to same displacement & also can rev its guts out & put out TONNES of power, i suppose its just my curiousity but if anyone has any thoughts it would be good to hear them.
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lump_a_charcoal

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Joined: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 4454 Location: Botany, NSW
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Lots of guys in the USA have GSXR 1000 motors in their zooks, including the 6 speed gearboxes.
Gives you a gear for every occasion.
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shep
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14499 Location: Here there everywhere
Vehicle: A manly awesome man jimny
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 Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:11 am |
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i reckon a outboard motor would be interesting.
mine is 1600cc 100hp at low revs weighs fuck all and the power head
is about the size of a carton of beer, has all its electrics attached to the motor
and would just need the airbox adapted to fit a air filter.
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Shansh

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Joined: Sun May 23, 2010 9:35 am Posts: 1816 Location: Goulburn NSW
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 Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:19 am |
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lump_a_charcoal wrote: Lots of guys in the USA have GSXR 1000 motors in their zooks, including the 6 speed gearboxes.
Gives you a gear for every occasion.
hmmmmmm interesting, would be a bit if engineering in that.........
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atari4x4

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Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:30 pm Posts: 34843 Location: East Radelayed
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lump_a_charcoal wrote: Lots of guys in the USA have GSXR 1000 motors in their zooks, including the 6 speed gearboxes.
Gives you a gear for every occasion.
what about reverse?
my old man was involved in a hill climb special that was powered by a large outboard engine of some sort, essentially an oversized gokart with gears & suspension & from what he use to say it was deadly fast & sometimes it wouldn't trigger the finish line light beam due to it being airborne over the finish line. 
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royce

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
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shep wrote: i reckon a outboard motor would be interesting. mine is 1600cc 100hp at low revs weighs fuck all and the power head is about the size of a carton of beer, has all its electrics attached to the motor and would just need the airbox adapted to fit a air filter.
ive always thought an outboard would be cool, hard work setting it up for cooling though
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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royce wrote: shep wrote: i reckon a outboard motor would be interesting. mine is 1600cc 100hp at low revs weighs fuck all and the power head is about the size of a carton of beer, has all its electrics attached to the motor and would just need the airbox adapted to fit a air filter. ive always thought an outboard would be cool, hard work setting it up for cooling though
Beat me to it.. 
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shep
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14499 Location: Here there everywhere
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 Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:44 am |
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steknig wrote: royce wrote: shep wrote: i reckon a outboard motor would be interesting. mine is 1600cc 100hp at low revs weighs fuck all and the power head is about the size of a carton of beer, has all its electrics attached to the motor and would just need the airbox adapted to fit a air filter. ive always thought an outboard would be cool, hard work setting it up for cooling though Beat me to it.. 
someone that knows stuff would be able to sort the cooling though. 
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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shep wrote: steknig wrote: royce wrote: shep wrote: i reckon a outboard motor would be interesting. mine is 1600cc 100hp at low revs weighs fuck all and the power head is about the size of a carton of beer, has all its electrics attached to the motor and would just need the airbox adapted to fit a air filter. ive always thought an outboard would be cool, hard work setting it up for cooling though Beat me to it..  someone that knows stuff would be able to sort the cooling though. 
Out of my league then.. 
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89_tintop

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Joined: Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 3159 Location: gold coast
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 Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:03 am |
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wouldnt be too hard to set up the cooling system'
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89_tintop

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Joined: Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 3159 Location: gold coast
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now you got me thinking...
got a 115hp sitting on my garage floor at the moment...........
will be a little jump from the suzi engine
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alex

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Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2151 Location: Brissy
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 Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:08 am |
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shep
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14499 Location: Here there everywhere
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 Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:13 am |
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royce

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
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 Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:34 am |
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good point, if it was a 2stroke you would have to put it in an lj
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want33s

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Joined: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 8135 Location: Sunshine Coast Qld
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 Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:36 am |
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Years ago it used to be quite common in the NT for 40HP Johnson outboard powerheads to replace LJ motors... I've personally never seen one though so I don't know about the cooling side of it but my father sold lots of Johnson/Evinrude motors to Zook owners when I was a young tacka.
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89_tintop

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Joined: Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 3159 Location: gold coast
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 Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:37 am |
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no 2 stroke..........
you reckon in a lj royce???
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alex

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Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2151 Location: Brissy
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shep wrote: alex wrote: hayabusa engine in a smart car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdJ84nho ... re=relatedso i guess it could be doneanything can be done it just depends on how much cash you are prepared to spend hay 89_tintop is it a 4 stroke?
verry true 
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89_tintop

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Joined: Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 3159 Location: gold coast
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want33s wrote: Years ago it used to be quite common in the NT for 40HP Johnson outboard powerheads to replace LJ motors... I've personally never seen one though so I don't know about the cooling side of it but my father sold lots of Johnson/Evinrude motors to Zook owners when I was a young tacka.
mine is a johnson...
now i am really thinking..
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shep
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14499 Location: Here there everywhere
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 Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:04 am |
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there is a 2 stroke V6 at the dump here.  would sound great with the right exhaust.
actually i reckon the exhaust would be the hardest thing to get right. 
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Shansh

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Joined: Sun May 23, 2010 9:35 am Posts: 1816 Location: Goulburn NSW
Vehicle: Ducati Monster
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 Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:20 am |
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i would love to see a hayabusa & g13a engine next to each other, even if something could be done with the internals.............but i really dont think i would wanna go that fast in my zook, but its fun to ponder.........
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royce

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
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150hp at 9500rpm isnt real tractable in a sierra
good when you only weight 250kg though
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Shansh

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Joined: Sun May 23, 2010 9:35 am Posts: 1816 Location: Goulburn NSW
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i hear ya, but like i said its fun to ponder stuff, cursed with an imagination i guess
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royce

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
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 Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:40 am |
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I reckon if you google hard enough you could get headgasket dimensions of both, that could tell you a lot
somebody once figured you could fit a bmw bike head onto a mini block, so anything is possible with enough looking
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lump_a_charcoal

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Joined: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 4454 Location: Botany, NSW
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atari4x4 wrote: lump_a_charcoal wrote: Lots of guys in the USA have GSXR 1000 motors in their zooks, including the 6 speed gearboxes.
Gives you a gear for every occasion. what about reverse?
You retain the sierra boxes as well.
Apparently there is a guy on Pirate who is designing a kit...
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rabrarley
Joined: Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:43 am Posts: 24 Location: adelaide
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outboard would be hard to fit to a bell housing and to fit a clutch
to much work :/
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sideways

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Joined: Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:53 pm Posts: 5933 Location: Northcliffe, W.A.
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rabrarley wrote: outboard would be hard to fit to a bell housing and to fit a clutch
to much work :/
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Just depends on your imagination/skills I guess.
My dream is to have a 2 stroke outboard engine in my LJ.
I'm thinking something smaller like a Suzuki DT55, maybe something with 70-80HP though. It would have to be a 3 cyl.
IMO the hardest part would be fitting a car style flywheel and giving a spot for the spigot to go. That'd be solved by making a boss to bolt the the end of the crank, that'd give you some extra space for a bell housing adapter of sorts too. I don't have the tools to make that (yet) though.
I will do this one day, definite bucket list stuff.
I'm always on the lookout for a cheap/half dead DT55 outboard to experiment with...
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