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Just about to hit the order button from LROR.....just waiting on a shipping price.

After much research on what I believe suits my needs the most including funds available, I am ordering a Mini Spool for the rear and Spartan in the front plus 26 spline side gears.

Any thoughts on this combo would be appreciated. I've got a 89 1.3 WT and the tracks around here are steep, rocky, and dry occasionally!

I've been doing well without these in the Coffs area but the time has come for a little more. Only mods so far are 2"susp, 2"body, 15x7 -13 offset with 235/75 Cooper ST.

End of this year is 6.5's into the transfer based on price, warranty and room to move up in rubber size.

Thats all.........

Obviously 26 spline will require the chromos as mentioned.

Other than that just be careful, steep dry tracks can easily be traversed with a locker and very easily turn into a roll over. With an unlocked vehicle you may not be able to climb the silly tracks but with a twin locked you will find you probably can but then you will find it can get itself into crazy angles you haven't been on before.

front locker, chromo's and gears over front and rear locked

Twin locked and no reduction gears will see you having to use speed for something still.

With reduction gears, you can creep with wheels in the air and judge whether it will be okay or not.
Without, you'll get a run up and do a backflip.

Experience in a stock sierra means nothing against twin locked. I could drive all kinds of stuff rear locked and it was great. Then i got a front locker aswell aand you have to learn how to drive all over again. It puts you into some bad places.

Basically everyones advice is. TAKE IT EASY.

You won't need hilux diffs unless you want a rockhopping comp truck in my opinion.

A 2" lift with rear springs in the front will get it flexing nicely.
Some bumpstop spacers or guard chop will get 31's working very well.
Some 5.14 or 6.5 ratio reduction gears, chromo front axles, front and rear locked.

You will go everywhere just shy of climbing a tree and still be very drive able as a daily.

SierraDan wrote:

Understand what your saying Dan and cheers for the advice.

SierraDan wrote:

A 2" lift with rear springs in the front will get it flexing nicely.
Some bumpstop spacers or guard chop will get 31's working very well.
Some 5.14 or 6.5 ratio reduction gears, chromo front axles, front and rear locked.

You will go everywhere just shy of climbing a tree and still be very drive able as a daily.

..., but is this guy getting the right advice as I did

the increased control that reduction gears offer can often be far more important in retaining traction than the additional traction that lockers provide are in maintaining control. And you always want to be in control.

Author:	bogga [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:08 pm ]
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Just about to hit the order button from LROR.....just waiting on a shipping price. After much research on what I believe suits my needs the most including funds available, I am ordering a Mini Spool for the rear and Spartan in the front plus 26 spline side gears. Any thoughts on this combo would be appreciated. I've got a 89 1.3 WT and the tracks around here are steep, rocky, and dry occasionally! I've been doing well without these in the Coffs area but the time has come for a little more. Only mods so far are 2"susp, 2"body, 15x7 -13 offset with 235/75 Cooper ST. End of this year is 6.5's into the transfer based on price, warranty and room to move up in rubber size. Thats all.........

Author:	christover1 [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:29 pm ]
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It will be great. You will love it. On road, higher tyre pressures will help stop squeal on tight u turns. Allow time for driver to adjust to new handling.

Author:	sogone [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:50 pm ]
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Why go 26 spline side gears? Your stock axels won't fit. Or have you ordered chromos too?

Author:	atari4x4 [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:12 pm ]
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Dear Diary.... bogga wrote: Just about to hit the order button from LROR.....just waiting on a shipping price. After much research on what I believe suits my needs the most including funds available, I am ordering a Mini Spool for the rear and Spartan in the front plus 26 spline side gears. Any thoughts on this combo would be appreciated. I've got a 89 1.3 WT and the tracks around here are steep, rocky, and dry occasionally! I've been doing well without these in the Coffs area but the time has come for a little more. Only mods so far are 2"susp, 2"body, 15x7 -13 offset with 235/75 Cooper ST. End of this year is 6.5's into the transfer based on price, warranty and room to move up in rubber size. Thats all......... Love bogga fixed and what he said about 26 spline fronts

Author:	GRPABT1 [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:21 am ]
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Obviously 26 spline will require the chromos as mentioned. Other than that just be careful, steep dry tracks can easily be traversed with a locker and very easily turn into a roll over. With an unlocked vehicle you may not be able to climb the silly tracks but with a twin locked you will find you probably can but then you will find it can get itself into crazy angles you haven't been on before.

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Author:	JrZook [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:25 am ]
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Will be interesting to see how she goes with all that added traction and no low range gearing.

Author:	ZookFan [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:10 pm ]
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GRPABT1 wrote: Obviously 26 spline will require the chromos as mentioned. Other than that just be careful, steep dry tracks can easily be traversed with a locker and very easily turn into a roll over. With an unlocked vehicle you may not be able to climb the silly tracks but with a twin locked you will find you probably can but then you will find it can get itself into crazy angles you haven't been on before. MM food for thought!

Author:	Bugsta [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:42 pm ]
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GRPABT1 wrote: Obviously 26 spline will require the chromos as mentioned. Other than that just be careful, steep dry tracks can easily be traversed with a locker and very easily turn into a roll over. With an unlocked vehicle you may not be able to climb the silly tracks but with a twin locked you will find you probably can but then you will find it can get itself into crazy angles you haven't been on before. Been there... Done that!

Author:	ZookFan [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:54 pm ]
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You sure have mate You getting back into Auszookers Wayne

Author:	Bugsta [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:36 pm ]
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Going to try and do a run in the next couple of weeks.

Author:	bogga [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:01 pm ]
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Other than that just be careful, steep dry tracks can easily be traversed with a locker and very easily turn into a roll over. With an unlocked vehicle you may not be able to climb the silly tracks but with a twin locked you will find you probably can but then you will find it can get itself into crazy angles you haven't been on before.[/quote] Yeah understand this. Ive spent many hours gaining experience pretty much stock and have learnt my cars capabilities, my capabilities and more so how to pick the most appropriate line based on this. I certianly can get alot further around the tracks here than say a year ago. Now its time for a little more. On the flip side of lockers getting you into trouble, on a few occasions I have found myself getting up some pretty knarly stuff but to a point where lifting a front wheel stops me going further no matter the line and technically its not to much difficult ahead. Then its usually a reverse down which can put you in a bigger pickle. Id love to get reduction gears and better rubber as well, but funds say this has to wait a few more months

Author:	SierraDan [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:14 pm ]
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Twin locked and no reduction gears will see you having to use speed for something still. With reduction gears, you can creep with wheels in the air and judge whether it will be okay or not. Without, you'll get a run up and do a backflip. Experience in a stock sierra means nothing against twin locked. I could drive all kinds of stuff rear locked and it was great. Then i got a front locker aswell aand you have to learn how to drive all over again. It puts you into some bad places. Basically everyones advice is. TAKE IT EASY.

Author:	ZookFan [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:25 pm ]
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Front locker make that much difference compared to just one in the rear aye Dan

Author:	Zook_Fan [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:43 am ]
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After driving two cars with a very similar set up, 2" body, 2" suspension, 6.5's, 1.3's and 31's, on the same tracks with opposite ends locked I believe the front locked is what will make you change your driving style more. The rear seemed to be very similar to how you would drive an open car but with a bit more traction, when you have the front locked you have drive to wheels that get a lot further off the ground. This was my experience in the hilly and rutted terrain I was driving but I'd take front locker, chromo's and gears over front and rear locked

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Author:	larry [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:30 pm ]
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Zook_Fan wrote: front locker, chromo's and gears over front and rear locked chromos and gears are alot more exxy than a mini spool tho

Author:	Zook_Fan [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:39 pm ]
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True but most people talking dual locked aim to do that at some stage anyway. I believe you are better off leaving the front stock until you can get chromo's and a locker and once you have lockers you want to slow it down so you might as well do it all at once

Author:	bogga [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:05 pm ]
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SierraDan wrote: Twin locked and no reduction gears will see you having to use speed for something still. With reduction gears, you can creep with wheels in the air and judge whether it will be okay or not. Without, you'll get a run up and do a backflip. Experience in a stock sierra means nothing against twin locked. I could drive all kinds of stuff rear locked and it was great. Then i got a front locker aswell aand you have to learn how to drive all over again. It puts you into some bad places. Basically everyones advice is. TAKE IT EASY. Understand what your saying Dan and cheers for the advice. Thats why I love this forum Like I said on my first post, lockers, gearing and bigger rubber all happening this year as funds allow. Im only going to go front locked with gears & rubber for now. After I play with this set up for a while, I will then decide on wether or not I need a rear locker. As far as learning to drive again with lockers, I look forward to new challenges and I am the first to walk a track, suss it out and fill a hole as required before attempting the run. I just get a little confused when in another recent thread (The beast has landed) where the guy has just brought his first sierra, state that he is new to this, to get advice straight off the bat to mod almost identical to what I was saying in my first post, without explaining any of the performance effects to the vehicle like explained here to me. SierraDan wrote: You won't need hilux diffs unless you want a rockhopping comp truck in my opinion. A 2" lift with rear springs in the front will get it flexing nicely. Some bumpstop spacers or guard chop will get 31's working very well. Some 5.14 or 6.5 ratio reduction gears, chromo front axles, front and rear locked. You will go everywhere just shy of climbing a tree and still be very drive able as a daily. What I like about this forum is you get peoples thoughts and experiences from all sides and take away from that what you need. It can save you dollars and skin , but is this guy getting the right advice as I did

Author:	303zuke [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:41 pm ]
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bogga wrote: SierraDan wrote: Twin locked and no reduction gears will see you having to use speed for something still. With reduction gears, you can creep with wheels in the air and judge whether it will be okay or not. Without, you'll get a run up and do a backflip. Basically everyones advice is. TAKE IT EASY. Understand what your saying Dan and cheers for the advice. SierraDan wrote: A 2" lift with rear springs in the front will get it flexing nicely. Some bumpstop spacers or guard chop will get 31's working very well. Some 5.14 or 6.5 ratio reduction gears, chromo front axles, front and rear locked. You will go everywhere just shy of climbing a tree and still be very drive able as a daily. ..., but is this guy getting the right advice as I did Note the order that those mods are listed. Note that Lockers are very last on the list, and come after reduction gears. Perhaps SierraDan didn't spell it out, but the increased control that reduction gears offer can often be far more important in retaining traction than the additional traction that lockers provide are in maintaining control. And you always want to be in control.

Author:	MUD-PIG [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:47 pm ]
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303zuke wrote: the increased control that reduction gears offer can often be far more important in retaining traction than the additional traction that lockers provide are in maintaining control. And you always want to be in control. Can totally agree with this, pulled the rear locker out of my Sierra to go through registration as the locker was clicking like crazy. I have left it out for a few wheeling trips now, I still have a locked front, power steering and reduction gears, but there are only a few situations where I think I would really struggle without a rear locker now, as the reduction gears give me the slow moving control as described earlier to edge your way into things without losing it.

Author:	JrZook [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:47 pm ]
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303 has it nailed. Even with 235's the drivability with a descent low range gear set increases significantly. Riding clutches is minimized and the added punch from the increased low wheel speed torque can see you powering the steeper stuff with ease. A vehicle with descent throttle response makes it a lot easier to drive and control.