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Author:  Mitch1991 [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Whats so bad about coily sierras ??
Hey guys

ive currently got a hilux that i am selling to buy a coily sierra when i find one. But ive seen a few posts from people saying not to get one and to get a leaf sprung one. can some one help me and tell me what is so bad about the coilys? what are the common problems?
Author:  want33s [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Whats so bad about coily sierras ??
They were only made for two years.
They have a shit suspension design.
Nobody makes heavy duty aftermarket parts for them.
They are hard to find replacement parts for.
Author:  Reubs [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:24 pm ]
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Mitch1991 wrote:
people saying not to get one and to get a leaf sprung one. can some one help me and tell me what is so bad about the coilys? what are the common problems?

IMO, if you intend to wheel hard enough to need twin lockers and tyres greater than 31" then a coily is not for you. If not, then a coily is fine.

Common problems are:

The strut towers cracking (but hey I own 2 vitaras with cracked strut towers so we won't get into that argument). Easy to fix and strengthen.

Rear control arm mounts on diff housing tearing. Only a problem if you wheel hard a lot with a lot of lift. Can be fixed easily.

Apart from that, only regular sierra problems. Some parts are unique but can be swapped with other suzuki parts - transfer & jackshaft can be changed to WT, doors can be swapped to older Sierra ones without intrusion bars, windscreens are identical (only sealing method is different), bumpers & bullbars can be swapped out to suit WT/NT ones, fuel tank can be swapped with WT/NT one, tailgate can be swapped to older sierra one, lighting is the same except for extra indicators/park lights on front clip. Engine is the same as WT except it runs a multi-rib belt and viscous clutch fan,

Front arms are interchangeable with Jimny. FW hubs are same as vitara. Front bearings are vitara style. Front brake calipers/rotors are same as swb vitara.

Unique parts only found in the coily which aren't interchangeable are front struts/springs, rear springs, front clip & windscreen surround, front seats, dashboard, rear control arms, front diff (3.9 ratio reverse cut), diff housings, differences in wiring loom include main fuses instead of fusible link arrangement - it's closer to vitara than early sierra.

To summarise, not a whole lot of difference there. I own 2 and love them. I drove my daily drive coily to work today - I prefer it over both Vits I have had registered, including my current JLX estate LWB.
Author:  GRPABT1 [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:31 pm ]
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Didn't we just have a thread covering this in detail? All you will get is people saying the negatives like want33's mentioned and then the die hard coily fans like Reubs defending them.

For what it's worth they're both good replies but it's widely regarded that a leafy is the easier car to modify for offroad capability.
Author:  Mitch1991 [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Whats so bad about coily sierras ??
Thanks heaps for that. the one thing that i thought was weird is how the shocks are inside the coils at the front does it make a difference in anyway with flex? i wanted a coily for the comfort of it aswell coming from a leaf and torsion bar hilux -_-
as for the strut towers doesnt sound too good but im quite handy with a welder being a panel beater and i should be able to fix and strengthen them if they were to break.
i was planing to get atleast a rear locker and maybe a set of 32s or 33s with a 2 or 3 inch lift. not for wheeling that hard that i dont care about the car i can still be careful, paddock bashers are for the nasty shit haha. i just want it so i no that im not going to get stuck no where if im on my own and i no that its capable
Author:  want33s [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:37 pm ]
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The OP asked "What's so BAD about coilies?
That is what I answered.... Not being negative, just stating facts.

If he asked "What is so good?" there would have been a very different answer.
Author:  Mitch1991 [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Whats so bad about coily sierras ??
hahah well whats good about them compared to leafys ?
Author:  want33s [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Whats so bad about coily sierras ??
Mitch1991 wrote:
hahah well whats good about them compared to leafys ?

They have a nice smooth front clip and grille.
The white faced gauges are good.
The injection moulded plastic door trims are good.
They have a wider track than leafy's but ruin it with positive offset wheels.
G13BA engine in coily runs multirib pulleys so upgrade to EF 110A alt is easy.
Author:  GRPABT1 [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Whats so bad about coily sierras ??
Compared to a leafy? Quieter interior, look a little nicer and aircon in some. I would say comfort as far as plush ride goes would be on par with a leafy if the springs and shocks aren't shagged or dodgey stiff aftermarket leaves. Poor ride in sierras has alot to do with the (lack of) wheel base.
Author:  Mitch1991 [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:04 pm ]
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Yeh I really like the front grill looks nice.
What is the thread called that covered all of this I'm new and I haven't seen it before
Thanks Mitch
Author:  Gwagensteve [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Whats so bad about coily sierras ??
Mitch, your plans already exceed what can feasibly be done to a coil sierra without major reengineering of the suspension, and the unique front axles will be at or beyond breaking point with your planned tyres.

It seems like you are pretty keen on one regardless, and It's for exactly the reason people are attracted to them - surely "coil springs must offer more flex and a better ride"

It's not true. It's actually very hard (as in "redesign and re-fabricate the suspension" hard) to get a coil sierra to flex more than a leaf sierra.
32's or 33's would mean you should be looking at cromo front axles, (remember a 33" tyre is 7" taller than stock - reckon a hilux needs axle upgrades to run a 38" tyre?) None exist for the coil sierra.

Coilers look nicer and are smoother and quieter than a leaf sierra, but by the time you get a coil sierra to run a 32/33" tyre it won't be much better than a leaf sierra on road.

Steve.
Author:  JrZook [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:30 pm ]
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Mitch have a read here viewtopic.php?f=5&t=31947

Waiting for Jonno to rape this thread also ;)
Author:  want33s [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:30 pm ]
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Mitch1991 wrote:
What is the thread called that covered all of this ...


http://www.auszookers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=31947
Author:  stockman [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:32 pm ]
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Mitch1991 wrote:
What is the thread called that covered all of this I'm new and I haven't seen it before


Depends on who you ask, but most call it 'gay'.
Author:  303zuke [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:37 pm ]
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Mitch1991 wrote:
hahah well whats good about them compared to leafys ?


Cupholders! Armsup
Author:  Mitch1991 [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:48 pm ]
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Fuck this has made my decision harder now
Author:  atari4x4 [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:59 pm ]
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i'll make the decision easier for you.














































































coily's are gay pompoms
Author:  stocker [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:00 pm ]
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303zuke wrote:
Mitch1991 wrote:
hahah well whats good about them compared to leafys ?


Cupholders! Armsup



Hard decision i see...
Author:  Gwagensteve [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Whats so bad about coily sierras ??
Mitch1991 wrote:
Fuck this has made my decision harder now


It sort of seemed like you'd already kind of made your mind up. Don't ask a question if you're not prepared for the answer!

If you are happy with the size and utilitarian nature of a sierra, just get a leaf car. They are cheaper and much easier to work with.

Steve
Author:  jonno_racing [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:46 pm ]
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JrZook wrote:
Mitch have a read here viewtopic.php?f=5&t=31947

Waiting for Jonno to rape this thread also ;)


sorry to disapoint.
Author:  joel [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:55 pm ]
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Mitch1991 wrote:
Fuck this has made my decision harder now

get a jimny, best of both worlds.
Author:  mrw82 [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:07 pm ]
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the hardest thing about driving a coily is telling your parents that your gay.....
Author:  GRPABT1 [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Whats so bad about coily sierras ??
Mitch1991 wrote:
Fuck this has made my decision harder now


To simply things these are your options as I see it

Buy a coily but throw your dreams of 33" tyres and decent flex out the window and stick to smaller 30" tyres and tamer tracks.

Buy a leafy and run any tyres you like up to about 36" on zook diffs with chromo's, have a proven flexible setup easily, embarrass all your mates with big trucks and 35's but put up with the more rugged looks and slightly worse NVH levels.
Author:  MUD-PIG [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Whats so bad about coily sierras ??
Mitch1991 wrote:
i was planing to get atleast a rear locker and maybe a set of 32s or 33s with a 2 or 3 inch lift. not for wheeling that hard


In my mind if you are doing the sort of mods needed for a coiler to truely accomodate 33's then you are on more of the hard wheeling side of things.

You also mention that you want some thing more comfortable than your Hilux, well if you have a Coiley on 33's then I can guarantee it won't be any better.

But


atari4x4 wrote:
i'll make the decision easier for you

coily's are gay pompoms


says the hair dresser who owns a two door Vitara... :thefinger:
Author:  SierraDan [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:45 pm ]
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What MUD-PIG said.
Author:  Mitch1991 [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Whats so bad about coily sierras ??
so really you can get a leafy flexing as much as a coily? what about price like for a set of lifted leafs?
Author:  SierraDan [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:51 pm ]
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GRPABT1 wrote:
Buy a leafy and run any tyres you like up to about 36" on zook diffs with chromo's

If you follow this route.. Start collecting diff parts.
Author:  Mitch1991 [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Whats so bad about coily sierras ??
i think ive got a bit of deciding to do haha.
Author:  MUD-PIG [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Whats so bad about coily sierras ??
Mitch1991 wrote:
coming from a leaf and torsion bar hilux


Maybe this is a better analogy for you, do you now realise that it's hard to mod up your IFS torsion bar Hilux and are thinking maybe I should have got an earlier model leafy Solid axle Hilux that would more easily accommodate mods for say a 33" tyre.

Well if you you go and buy a Coiley Sierra you are doing the exact same thing again except with a Suzuki. Once you have the coiley you will be thinking the same thing, maybe I should have got a earlier model leafy Sierra that would more easily accommodate mods for say a 33" tyre....
Author:  MUD-PIG [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:00 pm ]
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SierraDan wrote:
GRPABT1 wrote:
Buy a leafy and run any tyres you like up to about 36" on zook diffs with chromo's

If you follow this route.. Start collecting diff parts.


What SierraDan said


and also look for a good supplier of wheel bearings.
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