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i'm not really seeing the reduction in size (anywhere it could matter) The 2WD box is as wide as the 4WD box at the same point. It's slightly wider further back, but of you don't use the cover plate as shown on Fatzook's car, there's no reason the material in the adapter below the shifter couldn't be cut away.

Steve.

Its for a previously 988cc late 60s 593kg datsun so it really helps my tunnel needs!!!

If it is strength you are after don't waste your time with a G13 gearbox.

Its for a previously 988cc late 60s 593kg datsun so it really helps my tunnel needs!!!

datso wrote:

Its for a previously 988cc late 60s 593kg datsun so it really helps my tunnel needs!!!

What vehicle, what engine, I may have something to assit.

datsun 1000 for hillclimbs for something different g16b will be supercharged for 170hp atw, vitara box FTW.
H beam rods and full balance will help on the engine side as well as custom mains girdle.

g16b will be supercharged for 170hp atw, vitara box FTW.
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datso wrote:

g16b will be supercharged for 170hp atw, vitara box FTW.
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Very keen to see how this will pan out for you. As an indication OOZUK's turbo G16 pushed out 142.5HP atw after a lot of $$ and on 10PSI boost if I'm correct. Mind you his is in a sierra thus has extra loss associated by running through a transfercase.

JrZook wrote:

datso wrote:

g16b will be supercharged for 170hp atw, vitara box FTW.
.

It made more than that. They de-tuned it for reliabilty. Since then he has popped a transfercase.

It made 142.7HP ATW @10psi
it went really strong on the dyno but matty felt he wanted to take 2deg out of the total timing to be safe for the engine
so after the timing map change the final power figure was

136.5HP ATW @10psi

my boostless LJ will have nearly that

I prefer massive torque over big hp but hopefully I can afford a second hand Lysholm or an Autorotor when the time comes Armsup

otherwise itll be a twinscrew Mazda from the wreckers :mrgreen:

Author:	datso [ Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:13 pm ]
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just wondering if there is a way to get the rear housing part of this gearbox to adapt to a local vitara box? Peeps would only need this part to make a neat conversion on their sierra and G series Jimnys. I would prefer to mod the gearshifter forward like Fatzook has done Attachment: suzuki g16 gearbox.JPG Attachment: suzuki g16 gearbox3.JPG

Author:	want33s [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:06 am ]
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Get onto Sean at Lowrange, he is now running Hawk Strictly Suzuki and will be able to track those bits down.

Author:	datso [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:41 pm ]
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I want to do this job all in one go and prefer it over the conversions done in OZ below - looks like the 4 x 2 housing is a straight fit over the first pic This is the usual conversion before tailshaft just need to mod shiter forward like in 3rd pic but with higher pivot for short shift

Author:	Gwagensteve [ Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:51 pm ]
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That's a lot of stuffing around for a what's essentially a cosmetic item though, don't you think? Steve.

Author:	datso [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:23 pm ]
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Alot of stuffing around definitely but theres heaps of size saved

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Author:	Gwagensteve [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:28 pm ]
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i'm not really seeing the reduction in size (anywhere it could matter) The 2WD box is as wide as the 4WD box at the same point. It's slightly wider further back, but of you don't use the cover plate as shown on Fatzook's car, there's no reason the material in the adapter below the shifter couldn't be cut away. Steve.

Author:	Fatzook [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:50 pm ]
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Gwagensteve wrote: i'm not really seeing the reduction in size (anywhere it could matter) The 2WD box is as wide as the 4WD box at the same point. It's slightly wider further back, but of you don't use the cover plate as shown on Fatzook's car, there's no reason the material in the adapter below the shifter couldn't be cut away. Steve. X2. I'd wager the output shaft is the same length on both boxes, so the only possible gain is a reduction in girth at the rear-most point of the assembly, and aesthetics. Definately not worth the hassle IMO.

Author:	JrZook [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:35 pm ]
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datso wrote: When will these TSOR extenda-bolt spacers be available?

Author:	Fatzook [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:50 pm ]
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No dice. They were replaced with 12.9 countersunk screws some time ago

Author:	datso [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:23 pm ]
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Its for a previously 988cc late 60s 593kg datsun so it really helps my tunnel needs!!!

Author:	Fatzook [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:39 pm ]
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datso wrote: Its for a previously 988cc late 60s 593kg datsun so it really helps my tunnel needs!!! Fair enough.

Author:	Gwagensteve [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:50 pm ]
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Why not use a G13 gearbox and an adapter plate - the plate is going to be much easier to get hold of than the G16 2WD parts. What's the bet the shift rails have to be swapped or something else daft like that making it a total PITA to swap? Steve.

Author:	joeblow [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:28 pm ]
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If it is strength you are after don't waste your time with a G13 gearbox.

Author:	Fatzook [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:05 pm ]
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joeblow wrote: If it is strength you are after don't waste your time with a G13 gearbox. X2. I throw them out whenever possible.

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Author:	datso [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:23 pm ]
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Sierra boxes are with a 1ltr only and only just. JB and FZook any idea if the Jimny boxes are related internally to the Vitara box or are they weaker? The Jimny boxes seem to withstand little abuse Ill let you guys know how I go with the US parts if I can get Sean to help

Author:	Fatzook [ Tue May 01, 2012 12:23 am ]
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Jimny and sierra internals are interchangeable. No relation to vitara at all.

Author:	2stroker [ Tue May 01, 2012 9:41 am ]
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datso wrote: Its for a previously 988cc late 60s 593kg datsun so it really helps my tunnel needs!!! What vehicle, what engine, I may have something to assit.

Author:	DarkHorse [ Tue May 01, 2012 1:00 pm ]
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Pardon the ignorance, but what's the point? 2WD for the datto, sure, although I would have thought there were easier options out there. For a Sierra/Jim...? Is it just so you can run the stronger Vit box with a remote transfer?

Author:	Gwagensteve [ Tue May 01, 2012 5:36 pm ]
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I'm quite sure a G13 gearbox would be strong enough for a "593Kg Datusn" - as I assume it's going to be pretty traction limited. I'm not great fan of the Sierra gearbox, but it's horses for courses. Steve.

Author:	datso [ Tue May 01, 2012 11:06 pm ]
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2stroker wrote: datso wrote: Its for a previously 988cc late 60s 593kg datsun so it really helps my tunnel needs!!! What vehicle, what engine, I may have something to assit. datsun 1000 for hillclimbs for something different g16b will be supercharged for 170hp atw, vitara box FTW. H beam rods and full balance will help on the engine side as well as custom mains girdle.

Author:	want33s [ Wed May 02, 2012 8:23 am ]
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datso wrote: datsun 1000 for hillclimbs for something different g16b will be supercharged for 170hp atw, vitara box FTW. H beam rods and full balance will help on the engine side as well as custom mains girdle. No need for custom main cap girdle, just get one from a GTi Swift.

Author:	datso [ Wed May 02, 2012 2:39 pm ]
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Actually the g16b has the same one but a 12mm laser cut one would be better with arp studs.

Author:	JrZook [ Wed May 02, 2012 2:57 pm ]
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datso wrote: g16b will be supercharged for 170hp atw, vitara box FTW. . Very keen to see how this will pan out for you. As an indication OOZUK's turbo G16 pushed out 142.5HP atw after a lot of $$ and on 10PSI boost if I'm correct. Mind you his is in a sierra thus has extra loss associated by running through a transfercase.

Author:	Fatzook [ Wed May 02, 2012 3:04 pm ]
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JrZook wrote: datso wrote: g16b will be supercharged for 170hp atw, vitara box FTW. . Very keen to see how this will pan out for you. As an indication OOZUK's turbo G16 pushed out 142.5HP atw after a lot of $$ and on 10PSI boost if I'm correct. Mind you his is in a sierra thus has extra loss associated by running through a transfercase. It made more than that. They de-tuned it for reliabilty. Since then he has popped a transfercase.

Author:	JrZook [ Wed May 02, 2012 3:12 pm ]
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Fatzook wrote: JrZook wrote: datso wrote: g16b will be supercharged for 170hp atw, vitara box FTW. . Very keen to see how this will pan out for you. As an indication OOZUK's turbo G16 pushed out 142.5HP atw after a lot of $$ and on 10PSI boost if I'm correct. Mind you his is in a sierra thus has extra loss associated by running through a transfercase. It made more than that. They de-tuned it for reliabilty. Since then he has popped a transfercase. Just what I read: oozuk wrote: It made 142.7HP ATW @10psi it went really strong on the dyno but matty felt he wanted to take 2deg out of the total timing to be safe for the engine so after the timing map change the final power figure was 136.5HP ATW @10psi

Author:	tanshi [ Wed May 02, 2012 3:22 pm ]
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my boostless LJ will have nearly that

Author:	JrZook [ Wed May 02, 2012 3:25 pm ]
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tanshi wrote: my boostless LJ will have nearly that At the flywheel

Author:	tanshi [ Wed May 02, 2012 3:33 pm ]
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yeah, technically, but shhhhhh! still be fun tho

Author:	datso [ Thu May 03, 2012 6:00 pm ]
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I prefer massive torque over big hp but hopefully I can afford a second hand Lysholm or an Autorotor when the time comes otherwise itll be a twinscrew Mazda from the wreckers

Author:	Fatzook [ Thu May 03, 2012 6:29 pm ]
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datso wrote: I prefer massive torque over big hp but hopefully I can afford a second hand Lysholm or an Autorotor when the time comes otherwise itll be a twinscrew Mazda from the wreckers Sounds gay.