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Author:  jonno_racing [ Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Jimny 1600 questions
Ok so the time has come..
my jim has a blown head gasket or cracked head atm, didn't actually even get hot :(, was actualy sitting in a drive way, ideling, missed a bit and blew a FKING HUGE cloud of steam out the exaust!
i am at a bit of a cross road's
either fix it up (new head or headgasked and plain/crack test) and sell it,
or
put a baleno coil pack 1600 in to it.

The car has been good to me, have had VERY few issues, im just at the point where i want something a bit diffrent, i dont use it for touring as much as i would have liked. i have been considering selling it for a little while now, no idea what i will get next, but something different would be nice!

so my questions..
i have been told to run the coil pack 1600 i can just use all the jim injection gear ecu etc with 1600 injectors?
the people with 1600 jims are they any better on fuel? how much better do they go? what kind of price do the 1600 long motors go for?

any other advice would be appreciated
Phil
Author:  BlueSuzy [ Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1600 questions
But you did overheat it..

Id find a Baleno motor, get adaptor, run all Jim g13bb sensors, intake, exhaust etc
Author:  jonno_racing [ Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:20 pm ]
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BlueSuzy wrote:
But you did overheat it..

Id find a Baleno motor, get adaptor, run all g13bb sensors

once about 6 months ago for a few seconds..
not the reason the h/g has blown.
Author:  Gwagensteve [ Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:35 pm ]
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so what was the reason the gasket blew?

Steve
Author:  jonno_racing [ Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:38 pm ]
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Gwagensteve wrote:
Do what was the reason the gasket blew?

Steve


no idea Steve. it had been using a small amount of water for a little while. then just went poof.
its been serviced dead on the knocker every time (5000km) and i changed coolant about 6 months back (same time i repacked viscus fan)
never really driven hard..

it may be a cracked head, there common for that.
Author:  PORL [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:25 am ]
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I just did the 1.6 conversion it was pretty straight forward any questions you have feel free to pm me
Author:  31zook [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:17 pm ]
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Put em up PORL, I'm interested in this also, but know very little about it.

I was lead to believe that a G16B bottom end with a Jimny head is it. New timing belt and cover, BenT adapter, with Jimny ECU.

I'm reserved about this as mine is running well and doesn't have any issues. I would just hate to swap it out and then find that it has cold start issues or doesn't run well underload...

Keen for someone with experience...
Author:  KEENSY85 [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:34 pm ]
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just because it over heated for a secound or even min doesnt mean its stuffed, yer it blew a head gasket who cares it happens all the time. it can be a freak thing it can also be a major problem but most the time no.

if the heads not cracked its repairable if its cracked u can change the head. but if u just want more power and what not get the 1.6.
theres my rant, i mean no disrespect or anger in my post :)
Author:  jonno_racing [ Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:59 pm ]
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Ok so some reading done.. a whole bunch
its cheeper for me to buy a 1600 long motor and adaptor than a new head or g13bb, go figure!

also this points out nearly everything
http://www.bigjimny.com/index.php/forum ... jimny-g16b
so in the new year genki will get a new heart
Author:  Lockie666 [ Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:30 pm ]
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What do you do to your cars man, I don't think you've owned a Suzuki that you haven't had to replace a motor in
Author:  jonno_racing [ Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:43 pm ]
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Lockie666 wrote:
What do you do to your cars man, I don't think you've owned a Suzuki that you haven't had to replace a motor in


pretty sure its just bad luck. the jimny has never had a hard time, well looked after and serviced every 5000km on the dot!
I have killed a few other ones from abuse, heat etc.
I have owned a few with basically 0 issues, kust the last few have had some issues. luck of the draw I guess.
Author:  31zook [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:52 am ]
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True but your avatar is Ken block style :lol:

Found this in the link phill posted.

100% Correct tom. Jimny Manifold, Jimny fuel rail, Jimny ECU. Simply put: everything Jimny except for the green injectors from the Baleno engine.
If you like I can take pics of my G16B installation.

The write up below is for putting a Baleno Engine into a Jimny. But with the comments below it should be clear about fitting the Vit / Grand Vit 1.6 engine as well.

You can use the Vitara 1.6 16v, Grand Vitara 1.6 16v or the Baleno 1.6 16v engines. It's best to go for the distributorless engine like the Jimny is - 2 coils on the cam cover. I used the Baleno engine as it was all I could find at the time.

If you use the Vitara / Grand Vitara there is a very good chance you wont need to swap the sump / mod the pickup pipe like I had to as the Baleno has the sump pot at the front not the back. Just look at the engine you buy and you'll be able to work out if it'll fit.
Also if using the Vitara / Grand Vitara engine you shouldn't need to replace the waterpump inlet pipe and the use the blanking plate on the cylinder head like you do with the Baleno engine as they should already be there.

OK from the bottom up Baleno 1.6 into a Jimny....
Sump:
I used the Jimny Sump and modded the Jimny Pickup pipe. The pickup pipe where it goes into the oil pump is wider on the 1.6, so I cut the end of the baleno pipe 1" down from where it goes into the pump, did the same thing with the Jimny Pipe and and welded the Jimny pickup to the baleno pump inlet pipe.
Also remember you need to drill and 6mm tap No. 4 main bearing cap with a blind hole for the mounting of the pickup pipe as well.
If your Jimny is a hard top then there's a good chance it doesn't have a crank sensor. Mine didn't. So you may will also have to address the issue that the baleno engine might have had. This could leave a hole that goes directly into the sump below the timing belt pulley.
Conversely if it's a soft top you may need the crank sensor so you'll need to make sure the baleno engine does have one!
Solution: Belzona!

Flywheel / Clutch:
Jimny one - Put a new clutch in while you're there.

Bell housing:
Either re-drill the block or buy an adapter plate. Same as the SJ conversion write up on here.
Note: If buying an adapter plate buy one that has the full ring around the bottom of the bellhousing. Every adapter plate I have seen was for an SJ and didn't accommodate for revised clutch cable on the Jimny. So we simply cut that bit of the plate out so that the clutch cable entry mount fitted snugly. You will also need to drill the top 2 gearbox bolt holes out to 12mm from 10mm so you'll need the bellhousing bolts from the Baleno as well if you can pinch them.
Also the countersunk bolts to mount the plate... They'll probably be 1.25mm pitch thread. The Jimny box is 1mm pitch.

Most just graunch the bolts in. I re-threaded them to 1mm.

Starter motor.
The Jimny "fat" starter will not fit. You can either grind the block a bit OR get get the Skinny bosch starter fitted to some vitaras. I use the skinny starter.

Engine Mounts:
Driver's side engine mount will be about 30mm as the engine mount castings on the block are set about 30mm back from the G13BB ones. I went completely freestyle on this and made made my own mount from 6mm steel plate. I have read of people redrilling the bottom of the mount to accommodate for this move backwards so it's a case of have a look and decide how you want to proceed. Passenger side is a bolt on replacement.

Water pump inlet pipe.
Remove the Baleno one and chuck it! It's no use whatsoever.
Use the jimny one. You will need to make up a small flat bar mounting bracket to fit it to the block as the 1.6 engine the castings are about 30mm towards the back of the block. When you see it you'll understand. I also found the jimny pipe was a loose fit into the hole so I fitted a slightly oversized o-ring.


Baleno Thermostat on rear of the head:
Remove it and put on the blanking plate on from the back of the Jimny head.

Camshaft. If you have a Hardtop Jimny then it probably wont have a crank sensor. If it doesn't and the Baleno engine does then please pull the cam sensor off the back of the cam on the baleno engine. if you are lucky there'll be 11 pickup lugs on the end of the cam. if there's 2 then you need to use the jimny cam - I had to use the Jimny cam it just doesn't rev as hard (6000 + rpm) as the baleno.

Inlet manifold / Injectors. Use the Jimny manifold in it's entirety apart from you NEED the green injectors from the Baleno. It'll run on the orange jimny ones but it runs like a bag of poo! Also no need to change the ECU. The standard Jimny one works very well.

Exhaust Manifold.
Use the Jimny one complete with sensor but you'll need to put a dent in the exhaust pipe to make it clear the bottom of the block where the old gearbox bolt holes were.

I know the above may seem a bit daunting, but it is worth it.
You could always go down the 16V Grand Vitara 1.6 engine route and save yourself the mucking about with the sumps / pickup pipes and crank sensors as that should all fit nicely.


Looks like I need to start looking for a baleno ;) :D
Author:  jonno_racing [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1600 questions
Sounds pretty straight forward! i have found long motors for about $500 and the adapter kit from BenT for $150 for the jimny...
so allowing $800 drive in/out
i have the benefit of a complete spare inlet manifold etc so swap over will be fairly easy as i can set the motor up before hand!
Author:  31zook [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1600 questions
Long motor?
Author:  atari4x4 [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:11 pm ]
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opposite of a short motor :wink:
Author:  Jackson [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:03 pm ]
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31zook wrote:
Long motor?


Has all the bells and whistles. Alternator, starter, etc.
Author:  pezz [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:14 pm ]
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jonno_racing wrote:
Gwagensteve wrote:
Do what was the reason the gasket blew?

Steve


no idea Steve. it had been using a small amount of water for a little while. then just went poof.
its been serviced dead on the knocker every time (5000km) and i changed coolant about 6 months back (same time i repacked viscus fan)
never really driven hard..

it may be a cracked head, there common for that.



And did you invesigate where the "used" coolant was going?
Author:  jonno_racing [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1600 questions
pezz wrote:
jonno_racing wrote:
Gwagensteve wrote:
Do what was the reason the gasket blew?

Steve


no idea Steve. it had been using a small amount of water for a little while. then just went poof.
its been serviced dead on the knocker every time (5000km) and i changed coolant about 6 months back (same time i repacked viscus fan)
never really driven hard..

it may be a cracked head, there common for that.



And did you invesigate where the "used" coolant was going?


out the exhaust
Author:  pezz [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:56 pm ]
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maybe it would have been worth fixing back then, before it got worse
Author:  jonno_racing [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:01 pm ]
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pezz wrote:
maybe it would have been worth fixing back then, before it got worse



bit late.
Author:  pezz [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:03 pm ]
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Yeah, hindsight huh..

But on the bright side, 1600 will be sweet :)
Author:  jonno_racing [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:07 pm ]
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that's how I'm looking at it! more power for tassie hills :)
Author:  jonno_racing [ Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:03 pm ]
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Well this is all a GO.
just orded my 1600 kit and have found a motor for $400 that i have to pull out, 165,000km i have a pretty good idea of how to go about it all now.
do you guys want me to do a photo step buy step guide?

Phil
Author:  Fatzook [ Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1600 questions
jonno_racing wrote:
Well this is all a GO.
just orded my 1600 kit and have found a motor for $400 that i have to pull out, 165,000km i have a pretty good idea of how to go about it all now.
do you guys want me to do a photo step buy step guide?

Phil



Probably should. I don't think there is one for this conversion in the Good Tech section yet, and there is Plenty of usefull info in 31zooks' post above that should make it across to good tech also.
Author:  31zook [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:58 am ]
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Just remember that no matter how good of a job you do people are always going to pick at you for something.

Don't get butt hurt.
Author:  jonno_racing [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:27 am ]
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31zook wrote:
Just remember that no matter how good of a job you do people are always going to pick at you for something.

Don't get butt hurt.


yeah on second thought i wont bother!
if you need to know anything josh when you do yours send us a inbox or give me a call!
Author:  31zook [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:57 am ]
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Look even if I did the swap, people would still have differing opinions on my take on it and let me know...

Just do it.
Author:  blitzn [ Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:26 am ]
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Hi Phil,

I have a word doc i made with pics on the conversion when i did mine a while back. I used a G15a from a Cultus but pretty much the same deal as the G16a swap. May give you some help/ideas if you need. Email me at speakwithals@gmail.com and i can send it to you.

Cheers
Alan
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