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Author:  Jake terry [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:33 am ]
Post subject:  Got new bigger tyres. Do I need to put larger shackles on?
I'm going for 27" tyers to 31" is there any major things I need to fit them
Author:  pezz [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Got new bigger tyers do I need to put larger shackles on
hammer, bumpstops, modify front chassy wings, but most importantly gearing to suit
Author:  foolsp33d [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:03 am ]
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searched?!
No seriously... its been asked and responded to so many times...

to make a valid reply... heres a quick check list off the top of my head....

wheels with appropriate offset to suit the possibly now wider tyre and to avoid spring grabbing..
massaged your firewall?
cut off the front bumper outer supports?
setup bumpstops accordingly?
xfer gears...(while not a fitment factor, hope you dont mind babying if you are on a stock xfer) yes a stock 1.3 will work, drove mine for over 12 months on a stock, but consider a 1.0xfer(can be picked up cheap enough) as a minimum if you plan on getting some driving satisfaction..
flares/extensions to now cover a wider track distance?
shackles may help in making them physically fit.. but wont do much other than that without work in other places.. ie RUF..

certainly plenty on info around the site.. and while I did try to find some threads for you to read.. the search button dislikes me :/

No doubt someone else will chime in with something Iv forgotten...
Author:  Jake terry [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Got new bigger tyres. Do I need to put larger shackles
I thourt they were my nabor told me they weren't so I set out to get bigger tyers
Author:  Red89 [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:30 am ]
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Jake terry wrote:
I thourt they were my nabor told me they weren't so I set out to get bigger tyers

Do you actually have the 31's yet ? If not go on a powerlines run with the guys off here and get them to show you what your car can currently do and what needs to be done to it.
Author:  Jake terry [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Got new bigger tyres. Do I need to put larger shackles
Iv been to by the machanic in my club rock crawler
gears and bigger tyers is all I probably need to do
Author:  Jake terry [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:03 am ]
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And yes I got the
Author:  bakerboy [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:07 am ]
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Your mechanics probably just wants your money, I am always impressed with how well stock/near stock zooks go. May I suggest learning to drive it well before getting the upgrades, and once you find the limits then look at possibly upgrading the tyres and suspension.
Author:  Jake terry [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:14 am ]
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I hav a beach run in a week ok so I want some nice fat tyres to cruise on the sand
And he's not my mechanic he is a guy in the club plus he talked me out of going to a 1.6l engine and a spoa kit so hes pretty good by me
Author:  tanshi [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:16 am ]
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just let down your stock tyres, you really dont need bigger rubber for what your doing
Author:  Jake terry [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:18 am ]
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Mine ,I think are like 8-9 inch wide and I thort best safe then sorry
Author:  Red89 [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:23 am ]
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Jake terry wrote:
Iv been to by the machanic in my club rock crawler
gears and bigger tyers is all I probably need to do

By the sounds of it you're all good to go then
Author:  shark [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:23 am ]
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Stock tyres on a zook on a beach will be perfectly fine.
Author:  Reubs [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:24 am ]
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Jake terry wrote:
I hav a beach run in a week ok so I want some nice fat tyres to cruise on the sand

If you need bigger tyres to drive a beach then you mustn't have any skills - a Sierra on 205/70 or 215/75R15 with under 15PSI in the tyres is very capable on a beach.

P.S. narrower tyres are better than wide ones when it comes to sand... big tyres without gears will also make your vehicle less capable than a stocker!
Author:  Jake terry [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:28 am ]
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I haven't don't a beach run no
Author:  Jake terry [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:30 am ]
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Plus I think my tyres are under size aren't stock width like 10-12.5 wide
Author:  tanshi [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:32 am ]
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no, stock on a sierra is 205/70 i believe.
you really need to read more on here before asking these sorts of questions.
its plain you havent done any research at all when you say stuff like that.
Author:  Jake terry [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Got new bigger tyres. Do I need to put larger shackles
tanshi wrote:
205/70

Wht do that mean is it 20.5/???
Author:  masterA [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:02 am ]
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I thought you said previously that you have a 5" lift?
Author:  Jake terry [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Got new bigger tyres. Do I need to put larger shackles
That I do
Author:  Samwich [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:14 am ]
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Since you ALREADY have the tyres.. Bolt them on and see yourself if you need to increase anything
Author:  Jake terry [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Got new bigger tyres. Do I need to put larger shackles
I own them but I pick them up at 3 this avo
Author:  Samwich [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:21 am ]
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wait till 3
Author:  Jake terry [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:27 am ]
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Will do
Author:  Gwagensteve [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:05 am ]
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Jake, I know you're new around here, I know you're on an iPod not a real computer, and I know your spelling sucks.

However,

You have to help us to help you. If you can't type a detailed question (or do lots of research, or both), you're never, ever going to get a meaningful answer, and people are just going to stir you up, like atari, who is trying his hardest :D

I think that with 5" of lift you shouldn't need to do anything more (suspension wise) to fit 31's. In fact, I'd say your car is already much taller than it needs to be. I don't know anything about how your car is setup, but I reckon it would handle better and feel much more stable with less lift in it. I'd get the tyres on the car, flex it up a bit, and see how much you could lower the car.

Remember tyres add lift too, so going from 27" to 31" lifts your car another 2"

You're going to need reduction gears of some sort. 31's and standard gearing is pretty crappy to drive on and off road. You'll wreck the clutch pretty quickly.

If I were you, I'd join a club too. If you're new to 4WDing you might be making some beginners mistakes with driving and setting up your car. It's best to go on some trips with other suzuki owners so you get steered in the right direction. There's lots of good information on here, but it's not the same as talking to someone experienced and watching them drive.

Steve.
Author:  Red89 [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:34 am ]
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Jake go to imageshack, register using your email address, then take some clear detailed pics of your car, upload them to imageshack and then post the links here. Imageshack doesn't require any app you should be able to upload straight off your iPod.
Author:  Jake terry [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Got new bigger tyres. Do I need to put larger shackles
Gwagensteve wrote:

You're going to need reduction gears of some sort. 31's and standard gearing is pretty crappy to drive on and off road. You'll wreck the clutch pretty quickly.

Steve.

Is the the main gear box , t case , or spider gears I have to change
Author:  Reubs [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Got new bigger tyres. Do I need to put larger shackles
Jake terry wrote:
Gwagensteve wrote:
You're going to need reduction gears of some sort. 31's and standard gearing is pretty crappy to drive on and off road. You'll wreck the clutch pretty quickly.

Is the the main gear box , t case , or spider gears I have to change

Most people upgrade transfer gears. Most people would buy their gears from Low Range Offroad in the US.

Most people will opt for between 4.9 to 6.5:1 low range ratio for 31" tyres. High range ratio will be adjusted slightly also to better suit large tyres.
Author:  Jake terry [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Got new bigger tyres. Do I need to put larger shackles
I was geting those any way same place to
Author:  Gwagensteve [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Got new bigger tyres. Do I need to put larger shackles
Jake, can you see how we're finding this a bit frustrating? Pezz wrote the very first reply to you and mentioned you were going to need gears. If you were already getting them, it would have saved us mentioning it again.

Same as the lift - if you'd mentioned you had 5" of lift from the outset, you would have had a really good answer immediately.

Imagine this as your first post:

Jake in a parallel universe wrote:
Hi, I already have 5" of lift and I have transfer gears on the way, what else do I need to run 31's?


The answer would have been -

Atari4X4 on a good day wrote:
You don't need anything else. Your car is probably already taller than it needs to be to run 31's.


Simple as that.

Instead, you're drip feeding us and your getting a hard time because of it.

Carry on as you were Atari :D

Steve.
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