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atari4x4

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Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:30 pm Posts: 34842 Location: East Radelayed
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 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:10 am |
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can you please take pics of the rear track bar set up on the leaf springs...
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suzitough
Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:54 pm Posts: 7
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 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:18 am |
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haha yer not a problem making your own?
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atari4x4

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Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:30 pm Posts: 34842 Location: East Radelayed
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 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:30 am |
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nah not for me, there is a track bar thread on here somewhere & i've seen a few RTV's on the road & noticed the setup that they run & mentioned it in the thread. since i mentioned it, i've never been able to find one parked so i could take some spy shots of them. would appreciate the pics if you get a chance & good luck with the sale. 
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want33s

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Joined: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 8134 Location: Sunshine Coast Qld
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 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:45 am |
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Mate of mine has one Gus. I'll get some pics this weekend.
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bohuler

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This is the rear track bar off a ford gus if its what you were after. Yes it is on a commodor, yes it is coil sprung but from what i know of the car i think that its off a leafy ford.  There was orginally only 1 track bar but it was pushing the car sideways out of corners to much, with this setup the corner exit speed can be kept faster and no where near as much drift. Dave sorry for the hijack! g/l with the sale mate
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atari4x4

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Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:30 pm Posts: 34842 Location: East Radelayed
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 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:58 am |
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ummm that's a watts linkage. 
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bohuler

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 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:06 am |
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??? there we go learnt something today.  i've been calling them track bars for weeks and never knew  cheers gus
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atari4x4

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 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:19 am |
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the yankies call a panhard rod a track bar some times, but that's definately a watts linkage set up (same design was used on the old V8 supercars)
the ones on the RTV are to stop axle tramp & run from the chassis near the front leaf hanger to the axle.
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shep
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 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:13 pm |
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Even the crappy shitbox limo had a watts link, I think all the shitty coil falcons use them.
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atari4x4

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 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:18 pm |
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yeah the coon carriers have had watts linkages for years, the good thing about them is you don't get the lateral movement on compression like you do with a panhard rod set up & thanks for splitting this out of the forsale thread. 
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droverdave
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:43 am Posts: 685
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 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:21 pm |
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atari4x4 wrote: the yankies call a panhard rod a track bar some times, but that's definately a watts linkage set up (same design was used on the old V8 supercars)
the ones on the RTV are to stop axle tramp & run from the chassis near the front leaf hanger to the axle. Isnt that generally refered to as a "Traction bar"? Essentailly to stop the leaf spring from turning into an "S" and then springing back into a straight spring again causing the lovely axel tramp type effects. like this http://image.off-roadweb.com/f/8279936/ ... on_Bar.jpg
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atari4x4

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 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:23 pm |
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yeah track bar/traction bar/anti wrap bar = same thing. those ones look like ground anchors to me 
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Fatzook

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 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:38 pm |
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atari4x4 wrote: yeah track bar/traction bar/anti wrap bar = same thing. those ones look like ground anchors to me  Also known as Caltracs in the racing scene.
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JrZook
Joined: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 5517 Location: Holland Park
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atari4x4 wrote: yeah track bar/traction bar/anti wrap bar = same thing.
Nope! Trac k bar is to stop lateral movement. Tra ction and anti-wrap to stop the springs loading/unloading. Not the same thing  Post up the RTV setup already!
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atari4x4

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 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:50 pm |
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JrZook wrote: atari4x4 wrote: yeah track bar/traction bar/anti wrap bar = same thing.
Nope! Trac k bar is to stop lateral movement. Tra ction and anti-wrap to stop the springs loading/unloading. Not the same thing  Post up the RTV setup already! close enough. atari4x4 wrote: can you please take pics of the rear track bar set up on the leaf springs... 
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JrZook
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 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:53 pm |
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atari4x4 wrote: ones on the RTV are to stop axle tramp & run from the chassis near the front leaf hanger to the axle. Tra ction bar! You are confusing! 
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Red89
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atari4x4

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 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:35 pm |
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the RTV was set up very similar to that, but obviously more factory looking with bushed trac rods (see what i did there Jnr) 
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want33s

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Joined: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 8134 Location: Sunshine Coast Qld
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 Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:20 pm |
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Pics as promised.
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atari4x4

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thanks Jas  all i saw was the front spring hanger assembly, that gives me a better idea of what was going on. NFI if that style of traction bar would work in the back of a sierra though, is there enough "outboarding" of the rear springs in a WT to be able to run that sort of set up & clear the chassis rails?
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JrZook
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 Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:43 pm |
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Wonder how much that setup would bind under flex?
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atari4x4

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 Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:21 pm |
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build it with heim joints... couldn't be any worse than the caltracs on aliens thing 
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want33s

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JrZook wrote: Wonder how much that setup would bind under flex? The closer the traction bar is to the spring the less negative effect it will have on flex (droop), however this comes at the cost of reduced ability to control axle wrap... Everything on a car is a compromise.
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