[KEENSY85]

Does anyone know if exo cages are legal in qld

[joel]

call it a roof basket. than yes.

[want33s]

Exo cages are not legal but ladder/surfboard/waveski racks on soft tops ARE.
No rules on how strong you can make a ladder rack...

[KEENSY85]

Funny u say that cos I want to bolt a roof rack/basket on to

[3cyl]

I have a blue plate on my exo, though being on a soft top it's still got a crossbrace that's internal.

[KEENSY85]

3cyl wrote:

I have a blue plate on my exo, though being on a soft top it's still got a crossbrace that's internal.

Any pics and when was it plated

[Xtreme]

I have heard of people getting them through here in NSW by calling them 'removable ladder racks' - as long as they are removable they got through, not sure of the validity of this its just something I heard but might help give you an idea?

[Teracis]

want33s wrote:

Exo cages are not legal but ladder/surfboard/waveski racks on soft tops ARE.
No rules on how strong you can make a ladder rack...

I thought they were but there were rules i.e. it has to be within 100mm of the bodywork, not larger than 50mm tube, anything in front of the windscreen area must be painted black e.t.c.
I can go searching for the list of stuff I found if it's required. I am still planning to build one on my rig, however that will be removable, more for repair reasons than legality as I was intending to follow the requirements and keep the thing legal.

EDIT: This didn't post because 3cyl had posted before, so adding in that I've spent the last 35 minutes trying to find the relevant section in the NCOP and still can't bloody find it. It's apparently here:
10 ROLL BAR
If a roll bar is incorporated into the design, it should comply with the requirements of Code LK8 -
Roll Bar and Roll Cage Installation.

I have been reading through LK8 and it specifically mentions not referring to exo cages.

[want33s]

Teracis wrote:

want33s wrote:

Exo cages are not legal but ladder/surfboard/waveski racks on soft tops ARE.
No rules on how strong you can make a ladder rack...

I thought they were but there were rules i.e. it has to be within 100mm of the bodywork, not larger than 50mm tube, anything in front of the windscreen area must be painted black e.t.c.I can go searching for the list of stuff I found if it's required. I am still planning to build one on my rig, however that will be removable, more for repair reasons than legality as I was intending to follow the requirements and keep the thing legal.

EDIT: This didn't post because 3cyl had posted before, so adding in that I've spent the last 35 minutes trying to find the relevant section in the NCOP and still can't bloody find it. It's apparently here:
10 ROLL BAR
If a roll bar is incorporated into the design, it should comply with the requirements of Code LK8 -
Roll Bar and Roll Cage Installation.

I have been reading through LK8 and it specifically mentions not referring to exo cages.

That's all good but it's not a roll bar officer it's a ladder rack.

Why would you want it 100mm or further from the body?
Larger than 50mm on a Zook???
Understandable on a case by case basis.

[Teracis]

want33s wrote:

Teracis wrote:

want33s wrote:

Exo cages are not legal but ladder/surfboard/waveski racks on soft tops ARE.
No rules on how strong you can make a ladder rack...

I thought they were but there were rules i.e. it has to be within 100mm of the bodywork, not larger than 50mm tube, anything in front of the windscreen area must be painted black e.t.c.I can go searching for the list of stuff I found if it's required. I am still planning to build one on my rig, however that will be removable, more for repair reasons than legality as I was intending to follow the requirements and keep the thing legal.

EDIT: This didn't post because 3cyl had posted before, so adding in that I've spent the last 35 minutes trying to find the relevant section in the NCOP and still can't bloody find it. It's apparently here:
10 ROLL BAR
If a roll bar is incorporated into the design, it should comply with the requirements of Code LK8 -
Roll Bar and Roll Cage Installation.

I have been reading through LK8 and it specifically mentions not referring to exo cages.

That's all good but it's not a roll bar officer it's a ladder rack.

Why would you want it 100mm or further from the body?
Larger than 50mm on a Zook???
Understandable on a case by case basis.

Wow on the colours!
Yeah I agree however that's just what I remembered from the information, I found a similar document there somewhere and it seemed to be dated from the 90's. I haven't found anything to do with exo's in the NCOP so if anyone does post it here!

I'm getting annoyed from reading all the NCOP docs just because of the way they are written "can't can't can't, must not, must not, must not" Bloody things are just like reading the wiring rules...
Maybe we have a link to them stickied at the top of the forum so we can point stuff out any people might get to know what can and can't be done? Just a suggestion.

[Fatzook]

Under the old system, there was provision for internal cages to be welded in, and detail drawings outlining the allowable procedures for attachment. NCOP now only makes reference to bolt in cages. Does this mean that weld-in is no longer legal? I fail to see how making a cage bolt-in will be of any benifit over weld-in, on a hardtop vehicle.....

I think the NCOP's were rushed through, and ALOT has been skipped over. My suggestion is that if you have any queries, forward them to the guys writing the laws at QLD T-port. They are making revisions all the time, such as the ammendment to allow symetrically mounted, un-even numbered spotlights, and single light bars; previously not allowed.

[Teracis]

Fatzook wrote:

Under the old system, there was provision for internal cages to be welded in, and detail drawings outlining the allowable procedures for attachment. NCOP now only makes reference to bolt in cages. Does this mean that weld-in is no longer legal? I fail to see how making a cage bolt-in will be of any benifit over weld-in, on a hardtop vehicle.....

I think the NCOP's were rushed through, and ALOT has been skipped over. My suggestion is that if you have any queries, forward them to the guys writing the laws at QLD T-port. They are making revisions all the time, such as the ammendment to allow symetrically mounted, un-even numbered spotlights, and single light bars; previously not allowed.

Good idea, as I can't find anything that even allows 6 point cages except for rear end ones in station wagons. Will need to get some confirmation on that, at least mine is completely removable now though so I can just run it for comps if it comes down to it.

[Fatzook]

Teracis wrote:

Good idea, as I can't find anything that even allows 6 point cages except for rear end ones in station wagons. Will need to get some confirmation on that, at least mine is completely removable now though so I can just run it for comps if it comes down to it.

That ship has sailed my friend. 6 point internal cages were knocked on the head at the end of April this year. The only internal cages allowed now are B-pillar back....

[Rusho]

Fatzook wrote:

Teracis wrote:

Good idea, as I can't find anything that even allows 6 point cages except for rear end ones in station wagons. Will need to get some confirmation on that, at least mine is completely removable now though so I can just run it for comps if it comes down to it.

That ship has sailed my friend. 6 point internal cages were knocked on the head at the end of April this year. The only internal cages allowed now are B-pillar back....

That blue plate idea was a cracker

[tassie jeeper]

roof rack/basket on my jeep is rd legal however u could maker something similar and bolt it to the rear bar and the side steps make it out of 40-50mm 3mm wall tube and walla exo rollcage that is a roof rack with added protection

[just_cruizin]

Throw into the mix all the external ROPs bars on extra and dual cabs getting around out here in Dalby. Some on the ones on the small trucks (over 4 tonne) are friggin huge and stick up a mile to allow for the cabs to tilt. Not much difference between these and an exo

[atari4x4]

if you don't need/want the ROPS protection, stealing ideas from something like the safari rack from calmini would work & is very similar to the one on tassie jeeper's TJ

[Fatzook]

just_cruizin wrote:

Throw into the mix all the external ROPs bars on extra and dual cabs getting around out here in Dalby. Some on the ones on the small trucks (over 4 tonne) are friggin huge and stick up a mile to allow for the cabs to tilt. Not much difference between these and an exo

Commercial vehicles don't have to follow the same rules as passenger vehicles.

[tassie jeeper]

atari4x4 wrote:

if you don't need/want the ROPS protection, stealing ideas from something like the safari rack from calmini would work & is very similar to the one on tassie jeeper's TJ

that looks allot like my GARVIN rack do calmini make theirs or just sell them maybe their made from the same crowed or 1 is just heavily influenced by the other

[atari4x4]

calmini make them as far as i know, they've been around for ages & also do a similar one for the vitara... i guess it would pretty common design when working around a soft top.

[Teracis]

Rusho wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

Teracis wrote:

Good idea, as I can't find anything that even allows 6 point cages except for rear end ones in station wagons. Will need to get some confirmation on that, at least mine is completely removable now though so I can just run it for comps if it comes down to it.

That ship has sailed my friend. 6 point internal cages were knocked on the head at the end of April this year. The only internal cages allowed now are B-pillar back....

That blue plate idea was a cracker

Did you get yours plated before the changeover?

Thank christ I made mine removable, I thought it was all good until I read the NCOP stuff last night, if I'd known it was going to be dropped I'd have worked out a way to get that bit plated before the change, although the whole thing is in pieces so realistically it was probably never an option before the deadline...

Still annoyed though, since technically it's not allowed, realistically I'd have been better off just keeping the blue tub and doing everything to that, I'd have been finished by now and the only thing different would have been no internal cage (not allowed anyway now ) and widetrack instead of narrow track. Yeh still worth it for the narrow track and other assorted goodies. :p

[Fatzook]

Might be able to get you a mod plate for the 4 points. You can just try your luck running the 6 point. The code on the firewall is the same, so unless mr PLOD looks up the paperwork, you'd be pretty unlucky to get knicked for it.

[Teracis]

Fatzook wrote:

Might be able to get you a mod plate for the 4 points. You can just try your luck running the 6 point. The code on the firewall is the same, so unless mr PLOD looks up the paperwork, you'd be pretty unlucky to get knicked for it.

Not 100% sure what you mean, definitely keen to find out though, swing me a pm or something with a bit of an explanation would you please. I can't see an easy way of making the cage 4 point behind the seats in order to get plated and then converting it back to 6 later. Unless I've completely missed something.
Oh and check my build thread if you want to see how your old rig is going, I had to re-do the RUF to get the 990mm between hangers at the front so I didn't end up with shackle inversion, I've also done heaps of bodywork! The thing is taking up somewhere around 20h of my time per week at the moment, maybe more, but it WILL get finished!

[Fatzook]

Not quite the same as an exocage, but here is a roof rack I completed last week. Its pretty strong, and would resist a light layover quite well. The design brief was to keep it light, and obviously it is primarily a roof rack. Total weight is around 20kg's.

[sideways]

That looks really awesome Fatzook. That Sierra has an awesome purposeful look to it.

Here's the wannabee exo roofrack thingy on mine, made by parkside towbars I think. It's surprisingly useful, it'd cause more damage in a rollover though.





You see the odd soft top Sierra running around with stubs sticking out where the back bumper covers go. Presumably they used to have roof racks mounted on them.

[tassie jeeper]

Fatzook wrote:

i quite like this could easily make it out of heavier tube for a cage as long as u put a basket up top u can pass it off as a roof rack