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Author:  Kurt [ Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:42 am ]
Post subject:  Jimny aux Fuel Tank
Hey fellas and felladies,

Any reason one of these wouldn't work?

http://www.dolium.com.au/Retail_Catalog ... %28Poly%29

they say you have to extend the breathers and make sure it's vented properly to store petrol in it, but I can't see that being too hard, if you took out the cushions for the rear seats and dropped it in there between the front seats and the folded down rear ones, it'd give an extra 40L or so (double your standard range) and is tall enough to be somewhat of a cargo barrier haha

Just looking for any rhyme or reason that I shouldn't go ahead with this? :peaceout:

Cheers
Author:  Built4thrashing [ Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny aux Fuel Tank
Ive thought about them myself as extra fuel for the longer trips. But the price is the killer considering you can get a Jerry can for $30.
Author:  Kurt [ Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny aux Fuel Tank
That's true, but these are made of pretty solid reinforced poly by the looks of it (might last a little longer than jerrys)
The big appeal of these to me is its shape, by being so skinny and tall it doesn't take up as much usable space as jerrys do
Author:  Reubs [ Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny aux Fuel Tank
Problem is - how do you fill a plastic container whilst it's inside the car?

I'm pretty sure it's against rules at a most servos to fill a container over 25L or to fill one which isn't sitting on the ground. Filling drums/containers even on a ute tray is a big no-no. Assuming you didn't pack all your luggage ontop of it and could unpack the 40L container and put it on the ground to fill, 40L of petrol plus container is going to weigh over 35kg - making it difficult to lift back into the car.

Next problem is what how do you plumb the breathers into the factory lines? Do you drill holes in the floorpan - making the breather an extension of the factory lines which are then possibly dangerous because they are in the passenger compartment?

How do you empty it into your fuel tank - do you rely on a slow gravity feed?

As Built4thrashing mentioned - jerry cans are cheap.
Author:  Reubs [ Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny aux Fuel Tank
Kurt wrote:
but these are made of pretty solid reinforced poly by the looks of it (might last a little longer than jerrys)

Look at brands like Scepter for good quality jerry cans which will last for years - they are made in Canada - not China and they pioneered the use of plastics for jerry cans! Of course you can't buy them at Supercheap and they cost a little extra.
Author:  Kurt [ Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny aux Fuel Tank
All very valid points,
The getting it in and out of the car isn't much of a bother to me, i would just be sitting/mounting it behind the seats, so one could just be leant forward to remove it, I'm young and stupid, lifting heavy things is meant to be what I'm good at :D

The ventilation and breathers are my main concern, the group that makes the tank offers a breather kit for extended ventilation, but yeah, how you're supposed to join them to the main system is the challenge,

http://www.dolium.com.au/Retail_Catalog ... Fuel_(Poly)

That's the link to the extender kit,

Will definitely have to have ask some more questions around before I go ahead with anything, I'll let you guys know if anything comes of it,
cheers for the help :peaceout:
Author:  Kurt [ Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny aux Fuel Tank
As for feeding it into the main tank, I've seen a few setups on camper trailers where they've rigged a low pressure electric pump to fill the cars tanks from a larger auxilary one, wouldn't be too hard to rig up
Author:  Blakey [ Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny aux Fuel Tank
Reubs wrote:
How do you empty it into your fuel tank - do you rely on a slow gravity feed?



its a Jimny unless your rocking some V8 or something larger under the hood or the proper fueltank is above the aux tank,

why would you need anything other then gravity feed. seriously your fuel doesn't drain that quick and the jimny wouldn't use it that quick
Author:  Kurt [ Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:14 pm ]
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Also true, that said, a high capacity pump that would let me fill it in less than a minute would be cool :D
Author:  Reubs [ Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny aux Fuel Tank
Blakey wrote:
Reubs wrote:
How do you empty it into your fuel tank - do you rely on a slow gravity feed?

why would you need anything other then gravity feed. seriously your fuel doesn't drain that quick and the jimny wouldn't use it that quick

So you'd have to plumb it into the fuel lines then...

So you have an auxilliary tank in your car which you can't fill safely at a servo because it doesn't have a filler on the outside of your vehicle but it has fuel lines connected through the bodywork down to the chassis so it will drain - but you still can't fill it?

Or, you have some quick release boat type fittings that connected to the top and bottom of the tank which you'd need to undo and hope not to spill any fuel inside the car whilst you undo them so you can remove the tank and fill it up?

Or, you leave it just as a tank on it's own not connected to the vehicles fuel lines so you can remove it from the vehicle and fill it up safely but when you want to transfer it's contents into the vehicles tank you have a problem beacuse it weighs nearly 40kg and you can't just tip it on it's end to fill into the vehicles fuel filler so you need a pump (most are slow), or a gravity feed hose (even slower).

Kurt wrote:
The getting it in and out of the car isn't much of a bother to me, i would just be sitting/mounting it behind the seats, so one could just be leant forward to remove it, I'm young and stupid, lifting heavy things is meant to be what I'm good at :D
Trying to get a bulky object nearly 40kg in behind the seats of a 2 door wagon (from the front) is not as easy as it sounds...

IMO you need to secure the tank - 40L of fuel being thrown from the floor to the ceiling in a rollover would be potentially very dangerous! In the case of jerry cans I strap them down for long trips and that's easily done through the handle.
Author:  Kurt [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny aux Fuel Tank
Yeah very true mate,
Would definitely have to plumb it if mounting permanently

The fittings wouldn't be too hard to throw together, couple of hinged latches on the base of the drawer system and one or two on the sides would be enough to hold it relatively safely,

Yeah would have to see what kind of hose/pump system I could knock up before deciding anything, dont want to spend an hour filling the jimny tank

Yeah it wouldn't be a piece of cake, but if you only had to throw it in at the start of a trip and take it out at the end, isn't really that much of a hassle

will definitely ask around about plumbing options and pumps before I go ahead with anything, as well as making sure I can secure it properly

Thanks for the input though :D
All advice welcome

Cheers
Author:  got_bar_work [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny aux Fuel Tank
Get one that lies flat
put it under draws
disconnect filler hose and connect to new tank
connect outlet to original tank filler point
connect up the breathers and ur set
no mess
no lifting
no pumps to fail
Author:  striker99 [ Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny aux Fuel Tank
For anyone interested, I sent in inquiry to Long range automotive, they are offering a 38-40L auxilary tank for the Suzuki Jimny, very costly however... $1900-$2000 as they have to modify the rear exhaust to make the tank fit, they need car for 2 days in Melbourne* also :(

They don't have any information on there website about it but send them an email and they send the details.
Author:  Gwagensteve [ Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny aux Fuel Tank
Are you sure you mean long range automotive? They are based in Lilydale in outer Melbourne.

The Long Ranger tanks are made by out of town 4WD in Sydney.

I might understand the idea of paying $$$$ for an auxiliary tank that fits under the vehicle. I fundamentally don't understand adding a tank inside the car of 40l capacity. It doesn't make any sense to me to introduce lines, fittings, a filler etc inside the cabin of the vehicle to gain the range provided by two jerry cans, which have no connections, breathers etc.

A jerry can can also be filled outside the car and once shut is completely sealed.

The simplest solution is often the best.

Steve.
Author:  striker99 [ Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny aux Fuel Tank
My mistake, Just checked the email again yeah was Melbourne, I have to agree with you though, looks like i will be taking Jerry cans for the near future.

Long Range Automotive
23 Industry Court
LILYDALE VIC 3140
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