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| Author: | Blkfxx [ Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Idea for G16B sierra conversion, VSS. |
31zook wrote: Moved my speedo sensor to the input as there wasn't enough room around the dig unit.  ^ Any reason(s) why this can't work for a sierra? The idea is to use the Baleno speedo internal (and face?) into the sierra cluster with the Jimny VSS pickup and cog and then the Jaycar speedo corrector to get it reading right. One problem I can see is the Jimny VSS is 3 pin whereas Baleno is 2 pin. (Thanks Teracis) |
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| Author: | Blkfxx [ Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Idea for G16B sierra convesrion, VSS. |
Question for JrZook. How complex would it be to modify the Baleno odometer to suit larger tyres? |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Idea for G16B sierra convesrion, VSS. |
jaycar speedo corrector kit? 
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| Author: | JrZook [ Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Idea for G16B sierra convesrion, VSS. |
Blkfxx wrote: Question for JrZook. How complex would it be to modify the Baleno odometer to suit larger tyres? As said the jaycar corrector will correct both the speed and odometer for larger tires. The only other way would be to determine the difference in tone wheel teeth and wheel speed between the vehicles and make up another wheel to suit |
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| Author: | Blkfxx [ Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Idea for G16B sierra convesrion, VSS. |
atari4x4 wrote: jaycar speedo corrector kit? http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=AA0376 JrZook wrote: Blkfxx wrote: Question for JrZook. How complex would it be to modify the Baleno odometer to suit larger tyres? As said the jaycar corrector will correct both the speed and odometer for larger tires. The only other way would be to determine the difference in tone wheel teeth and wheel speed between the vehicles and make up another wheel to suit Cool, I was thinking the Baleno odometer would be calibrated for stock tyres. So as long as the speedo reads correct (adjusting via Jaycar unit + GPS) then the odometer should also read correct? |
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| Author: | JrZook [ Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Idea for G16B sierra convesrion, VSS. |
Is the unit fully digital ie doesn't use a mechanical cable at all? |
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| Author: | Blkfxx [ Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Idea for G16B sierra convesrion, VSS. |
Yep full digital. Can get pics if need be. EDIT: Baleno VSS uses a gear to pickup the signal from the gearbox, Might change things? |
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| Author: | droverdave [ Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Idea for G16B sierra convesrion, VSS. |
Does the ecu care what the speed sensor signal is? Or does it just need a speed signal? On my old 4age I made a circuit that just pulsed the speed signal input when ignition was on at about 10hz I think, got rid of the speed signal error code from the ecu. |
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| Author: | Blkfxx [ Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Idea for G16B sierra convesrion, VSS. |
Based on info around the forum, The computer only cares to know whether the car is moving or not, Easily sorted by fitting a Vitara or Swift speedo with VSS from factory (still cable driven) or a reed switch installed into the stock speedo (which I have done). That option doesn't allow correction for bigger tyres without buying those cable driven correctors (not cheap, not easily adjustable) Hence this thread. |
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| Author: | JrZook [ Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Idea for G16B sierra convesrion, VSS. |
Blkfxx wrote: Yep full digital. Can get pics if need be. EDIT: Baleno VSS uses a gear to pickup the signal from the gearbox, Might change things? Cool. Doesn't matter where the signal comes from provided you match the frequency of the tone wheel to the actual road speed (number of pulses/km) |
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| Author: | Blkfxx [ Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Idea for G16B sierra convesrion, VSS. |
JrZook wrote: match the frequency of the tone wheel to the actual road speed (number of pulses/km) This is where I get confused. Baleno VSS has 16 pulses for one revolution, Baleno cluster face says 637REV=1KM. So 10192 pulses per km. ~30in tyre with circumference of ~2392.68 (obviously actual tyre would be less than this) does ~417.94 revolutions per km 417.94 x 3.9 diff gear = 1629.966 revolutions (of drive shaft) per km 10192/1629.966 = 6.25, So I need a tone wheel with 6 teeth (near enough?) Do I just suck at math and have just over complicated the whole thing?  Or will any tone wheel work (ORA jimny for example) and the Jaycar kit sorts out the rest? 
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| Author: | JrZook [ Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Idea for G16B sierra conversion, VSS. |
Maths seems ok. Looks like the easiest way to do it would be to use a jimny tone wheel and use a speedo corrector with it, provided it can give you the amount of adjustment you require. If its too far out I guess you could grind down every second tooth or something on the tone wheel. |
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| Author: | Blkfxx [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Idea for G16B sierra conversion, VSS. |
Any reason a Crank postion sensor or even an ABS sensor off another vehicle/suzuki wouldn't work? |
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| Author: | JrZook [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Idea for G16B sierra conversion, VSS. |
Seems like the baleno sensor is 2-wire and therefore is most likely a VR sensor. So if you match the senosr type anything can be used. |
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