If u use xl7 front hubs in a full floater u will be right.
Swb gv axle dimensions
Rhs bearing spacer to end of spline 656mm
Drum mating surface to spline 756
Lhs 610 and 710
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| Author: | DarkHorse [ Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Vitara and GV wheel bearing/axle dimensions |
Hey all, Need help from the Suzuki gods... To get my car engineered (yes, I'm still trying... can't let go...) I need to try to establish that the stock SV620 running gear will be fine with the XL7 rims (offset being the main concern.) A convenient way to establish this would be to compare the dimensions of the wheel bearings, as this also indicates both the axle and diff tube or spindle sizes. So, what I would love to find out is the ID, OD, and any other specs, front and rear, of the following: (the list is extensive because there seem to be a bunch of differing and contradictory spec sheets available) 1993 1.6 LWB SE416 Vitara 1997 2.0 LWB SV620 Vitara 1999 2.5 LWB SQ625 Grand Vitara 1999 2.7 LWB SQ627 Grand Vitara XL7 I have weaves on the hunt, but if anyone else can jump in that would be amazing. |
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| Author: | DarkHorse [ Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
So far Googling has turned up an OEM Suzuki Sidekicks and Geo Trackers 1989 to 2000 Suzuki P/N: 09269-41001, TIMKEN P/N: 517009, AC-Delco P/N: FW176 Height 1 : 40 mm Height 2 : 35 mm Outer Diameter : 68 mm Inner Diameter : 41 mm BUT... Did the bearing change when Vits went to 26 spline axles? Changed again for ABS/unified hubs on GV/XL7? (Suzuki P/N: 43401-65D00???) |
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| Author: | DarkHorse [ Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
Timken catalogue (US models): 93 Sidekick F - 517009 R - 511004 97 Sidekick F - 517009 R - 511004 99 GV F - 517009 R - 511024 02 XL7 (earliest available) F - 513193 (Hub assembly) R - 511030 Can anyone turn these into dimensions? Change in part numbers for XL7 isn't promising... |
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| Author: | ozzycouch [ Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
This site may pull up some answers http://www.alliedbearings.com.au/datasheets/suzuki/seals-vehicles |
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| Author: | DarkHorse [ Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
Got a reply from Greg at 4WD Products: "The wheel bearing for the first three models is all the same being 41X68X40/35 (Suzuki OEM P/No. 09267-41001). I don't have the specific details on the XL7 wheel bearing as the wheel bearing is part of the hub (Suzuki OEM P/No. 43401-65D10). |
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| Author: | Zook_Fan [ Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
DarkHorse wrote: Timken catalogue (US models): 93 Sidekick F - 517009 Same as below R - 511004 Same as below 97 Sidekick F - 517009 Same as below R - 511004 Bore Diameter (in):1.378 in. Outer Diameter (in):3.149 in. Width (in):1.023 in. 99 GV F - 517009 Bore Diameter (in):1.614 in. Outer Diameter (in):2.677 in. Width (in):1.574 in. R - 511024 Bore Diameter (in):1.575 in. Outer Diameter (in):3.150 in. Width (in):0.906 in. 02 XL7 (earliest available) F - 513193 (Hub assembly) R - 511030 Bore Diameter (in):1.574 in Outer Diameter (in):2.913 in. Width (in):1.607 in. Can anyone turn these into dimensions? Change in part numbers for XL7 isn't promising... Can't do the hub assembly sorry. Edit: Actually looked at the figures, it looks like you are out of luck with this avenue. That width difference is going to have a huge difference on torsional ability. |
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| Author: | DarkHorse [ Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
Thanks ozzy, Allied lists a single bearing kit for all 88-99 Vitara models without ABS: Fr: 4037 Rr: 4051 GV 98-00 Fr: 4037 Rr: 4435 ...and the same for the XL7 despite the unitised front hub...? |
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| Author: | DarkHorse [ Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
Thanks Zook_Fan, So all the Vitaras, 1.6 and 2L, front and rear used the same bearing??? Part numbers just different seals in the kits? Then for the GV a bigger ID at both ends, so thicker axles... but a significantly smaller OD on the front countered by a much greater width. Rear pretty much the same... Then the XL7 gets a much wider rear bearing but otherwise much the same. Can I ask where you got those numbers from? Have to sort out the incongruity between sources now. For the record if I can compare to an early GV that will be OK, I found a set of 16" alloys from a 98 V6 that are the same offset as my XL7 rims. ...there's no easy way to run GV hubs on an SV is there? |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
PM weaves? I have him on facey... not sure if he's still in the bearing game? |
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| Author: | DarkHorse [ Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
Have done, he's on it. Been some help with part numbers but got to go digging for dimensions. |
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| Author: | Zook_Fan [ Fri May 01, 2015 8:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
They were out of a giant Timken catalogue. Condition monitoring contractor brought it in yesterday but realised it was only imperial. Here is a link to a Timken metric/imperial catalogue: http://www.timken.com/en-us/products/Do ... _Guide.pdf I'm only going by the part numbers you gave me, I didn't check your information to see if they were the same or not. Can't imagine the GV front hubs would be hard to install on the vit but I haven't done it so can't give guidance there. |
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| Author: | tanshi [ Fri May 01, 2015 8:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
gv hubs and spindles should fit right on a vit. but you would have to get the spindles too as they don't fit on vit ones. |
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| Author: | DarkHorse [ Sun May 03, 2015 3:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
Thanks guys... ZF - from the link you posted: Vit - 517009 - ID = 41, OD = 68, W = 35-40 - 511004 - ID = 35 OD = 80, W = 26 GV - 511024 No listing, but a Google gives the same dimensions, translated to Bore = 40mm OD = 80mm, W = 23mm XL7 - 513193 - No listing - 511030 - No listng, Google again agrees - Bore = 40mm OD = 74mm, W = 41mm Tanshi - so GV spindles and hubs will bolt onto a Vit knuckle, giving me GV bearings... will I need GV CVs too, or is there a shim or something for that extra 1mm bore size? |
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| Author: | DarkHorse [ Sun May 03, 2015 8:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
So based on all of that the engineer is happy with the front end, but not so much the back. Can anyone tell me how the thicker rear axles on the GV (40mm) compare to the SV (35mm)? Is there any chance they taper down to the same size and spline count at the diff end? Are they the same arrangement at the wheel end? Are they even the same length??? Brakes have also been passed, so it's actually tantalisingly close to happening now... |
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| Author: | got_bar_work [ Mon May 04, 2015 5:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
All 26 spline suzuki axles would be the same size at the spline to fit in the side gears |
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| Author: | got_bar_work [ Mon May 04, 2015 5:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
Try and find the rated axle load capacity of the gv sv and cj7 front. Might be able to go to full floater at last resort. I have a gv axles here if u need measurments. |
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| Author: | got_bar_work [ Mon May 04, 2015 5:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
I found 900kg front and 1060kg rear for a gv in the states. |
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| Author: | DarkHorse [ Mon May 04, 2015 9:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
Thanks Luke... any info on Sidekick/Trakker to compare to? |
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| Author: | DarkHorse [ Mon May 04, 2015 9:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
Some more info from here: http://www.adelaidestreetcruisers.com.a ... eights.pdf (SA Govt) These are Wheel Track, so stock offset rims and tyres: Vit Front 1395 Rear 1400 V6 Vit Front 1465 Rear 1450 GV 98-01 Front 1500 Rear 1500 GV SWB 98-01 Front 1460 Rear 1460 |
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| Author: | got_bar_work [ Tue May 05, 2015 5:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
Found these on zukiworld might help . They were us ones but should be close Gross axle weights Sv front 800kg Sv rear 960kg Gv front 900kg Gv rear 1060 kg Xl7 front 1000kg Xl7 rear 1300kg |
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| Author: | DarkHorse [ Tue May 05, 2015 6:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
Cheers Luke. The more data I can throw at the engineer the better! |
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| Author: | got_bar_work [ Tue May 05, 2015 6:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
If u use xl7 front hubs in a full floater u will be right. Swb gv axle dimensions Rhs bearing spacer to end of spline 656mm Drum mating surface to spline 756 Lhs 610 and 710
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| Author: | DarkHorse [ Fri May 08, 2015 10:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
Luke you're all sorts of awesome. Do you know if the stud pattern for the drums is the same as the SV? And the backing plate to housing bolts match the SV? From the data above the SWB GV is all of 10mm wider than the SV in the rear... which would all be on account of the change from P25 to P10 offset... what are the chances these would be a straight swap??? |
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| Author: | got_bar_work [ Sat May 09, 2015 5:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
Isnt the bearings bigger on the gv Are u in Sydney. Club meeting is Wednesday if u want to try them |
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| Author: | got_bar_work [ Sat May 09, 2015 5:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
U might be able to drop the entire gv housing under if the arm mounts and coils line up |
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| Author: | DarkHorse [ Sat May 09, 2015 11:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
Bearing OD apparently is the same. I could probably make it Wednesday... but I won't have access to my car. What are the chances of everything lining up? Will the disk kit bolt up? |
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| Author: | got_bar_work [ Sat May 09, 2015 1:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
I will get a heap of measurments of the housing when i get home as well as the lwb housing |
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| Author: | DarkHorse [ Sun May 10, 2015 12:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
If you could be bothered chucking one of the GV axles into the SV diff that would be awesome - that's the least painful potential solution that I can think of... Otherwise thankyou so much! |
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| Author: | got_bar_work [ Sun May 10, 2015 6:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
I only have a swb gv diff in pieces is your sv diff together . The bearing has a spacer on the center side of it.Check with greg the sv one might be 6mm shorter. It makes sense for suzuki to use the same housing when they went to the new wide chassis |
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| Author: | got_bar_work [ Sun May 10, 2015 8:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vitara and GV wheel bearing dimensions |
Swb gv Outside of housing to outside outside of housing is 1370  Center of arm mounts 1115 
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