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Author:  woody1 [ Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
Gday everyone I'm new to this forum so go easy on me ah :D

My 1.3ltr EFI is just about shat , she has many issues but most of them are bottom end , BUT , I have the oppurtunity of installing a 1.6ltr EFI Vitara motor in.
My question is do you need a adapter plate for the bell housing or do they just bolt in.
To me I see know reason for one but at the end of the day I dunno.
I don't want to waste me money in buying the 1.6 and find out that she don't fit , where I can spend the money and time and get this 1.3 bored out and fixed up.
What do you reckon?
Cheers
Brad.
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Author:  Scrawny [ Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
Welcome to AZ!! Nice looking Jimny too!!

Sorry, can't help with your q's :D
Author:  woody1 [ Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
Thanks ScawnC.
She will be looking total different shortly.
Total over haul. 8)
Author:  Gwagensteve [ Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:59 pm ]
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A) yes, you'll need an adapter. The G13 and G16 use a (slightly) different bolt pattern.

B) don't bother getting the G13 rebuilt. The cost of doing it well will be far more than the cost of the 1.6 conversion, and it is likely to have a short life.

Use your head and the bottom end of the 1.6 EFI motor.You don't want to use the distributor, AFM and old school injection of the 1.6 vitara motor - the jimny is a whole generation more sophisticated.

After you get it done, make sure you get the A/F ratio checked on a dyno - the jimny computer may, or may not fuel the 1.6 properly. I'm sure it will drive OK, but it might not be right.

Steve.
Author:  woody1 [ Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
Gwagensteve wrote:
A) yes, you'll need an adapter. The G13 and G16 use a (slightly) different bolt pattern.

B) don't bother getting the G13 rebuilt. The cost of doing it well will be far more than the cost of the 1.6 conversion, and it is likely to have a short life.

Use your head and the bottom end of the 1.6 EFI motor.You don't want to use the distributor, AFM and old school injection of the 1.6 vitara motor - the jimny is a whole generation more sophisticated.

After you get it done, make sure you get the A/F ratio checked on a dyno - the jimny computer may, or may not fuel the 1.6 properly. I'm sure it will drive OK, but it might not be right.

Steve.

Thanks a bunch for your input mate.
The only problem is , is that I can't find anywhere for the past 2 weeks who makes these adapters.
Any idea where or who makes them?
Cheers
Brad
Author:  nissvit [ Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
Hi,
just a random thought,

if its an early jimny with a g13 block the conversion sounds comparitively simple,
however not sure how much work would be required if its a later jimny with the M13 engine, as when we did some work on a coily M13 conversion the gearbox from the g13 didn't line up with the m motor, and had use the m series gearbox.
Author:  woody1 [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
nissvit wrote:
Hi,
just a random thought,

if its an early jimny with a g13 block the conversion sounds comparitively simple,
however not sure how much work would be required if its a later jimny with the M13 engine, as when we did some work on a coily M13 conversion the gearbox from the g13 didn't line up with the m motor, and had use the m series gearbox.

Yeah she's the Series 1 version.99 model with the G13bb donk.
I agree with you , I honestly don't think there would be much to do.
Author:  Scrawny [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
You can get the adaptors from a bloke in UnZed. Not sure who he is but I've heard he's reasonable.
Author:  woody1 [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
ScrawnC wrote:
You can get the adaptors from a bloke in UnZed. Not sure who he is but I've heard he's reasonable.

Cheers
I'll just keep searchin.
Author:  shep [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
benT is the fella. $200 inc postage.
Author:  woody1 [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:23 am ]
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shep wrote:
benT is the fella. $200 inc postage.


Gday shep.
Thanks for the info mate but can I find him on this forum or any other.
Thanks
Author:  Saam [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
Gwagensteve wrote:
A) yes, you'll need an adapter. The G13 and G16 use a (slightly) different bolt pattern.

B) don't bother getting the G13 rebuilt. The cost of doing it well will be far more than the cost of the 1.6 conversion, and it is likely to have a short life.

Use your head and the bottom end of the 1.6 EFI motor.You don't want to use the distributor, AFM and old school injection of the 1.6 vitara motor - the jimny is a whole generation more sophisticated.

After you get it done, make sure you get the A/F ratio checked on a dyno - the jimny computer may, or may not fuel the 1.6 properly. I'm sure it will drive OK, but it might not be right.

Steve.



what is the comparison between a rebuilt motors claimed likely short life and an unknown condition second hand 1.6's life.

sam
Author:  Saam [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
also if you kept the jimny injection you'd probably want to just swap the g13bb inlet manifold, rocker cover and everything to do with the cooling system onto the g16b, so that you don't have to change anything except for the adapter kit
Author:  joeblow [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
Gwagensteve wrote:
the jimny is a whole generation more sophisticated.


Steve.


don't get too carried away g-man. its a little more sophisticated.....but not that much. the main difference is coil packs, and don't go thinking map sensors are a whole lot better that mass air flow sensors, they aint! (they are just a little cheaper and simpler for the manufacturer, while giving very similar performance results.)


tip - use the vit injectors.



oh...and i had a jimny with a 1.6..............yeay me.......... :woohoo:
Author:  Saam [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
you could make a pretty cool motor from the two the more i think about it.

jimny inlet setup is so much cooler, well to me anyways
Author:  woody1 [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
How did she run?
Did you buy it like that or did you install it.
Author:  joeblow [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:05 am ]
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ran good. but i also installed the 4 speed vit auto.
Author:  woody1 [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
joeblow wrote:
ran good. but i also installed the 4 speed vit auto.


Where did ya get ya adapter plate from?
Author:  joeblow [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
vitara boxes need no adaptors, but i did have to make a new cross member for the box as well as other stuff. but the jimny box should go well for a while.
Author:  woody1 [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
joeblow wrote:
vitara boxes need no adaptors, but i did have to make a new cross member for the box as well as other stuff. but the jimny box should go well for a while.


Yeah that's me other option I guess and put a Vit box in.
Author:  kenn [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
Yeah, then you can go twin transfers..... :wink:
Author:  BenT [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:20 am ]
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woody1 wrote:
shep wrote:
benT is the fella. $200 inc postage.


Gday shep.
Thanks for the info mate but can I find him on this forum or any other.
Thanks


Hey, that would be me you're looking for. I have just started lurking on here, and mainly post on O*terlimits :oops: . PM me if you want a kit.

I have one of my kits runnung in a customers Jimny. He used a G15a motor, with the Jimny manifold bolted on, using the Jimny loom and computer.
He did swap the injectors to the G15a ones, but they were a direct swap.

From feedback so far though, you will need a body lift, even with the lower Jimny intake manifold.

Ben
Author:  woody1 [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
BenT wrote:
woody1 wrote:
shep wrote:
benT is the fella. $200 inc postage.


Gday shep.
Thanks for the info mate but can I find him on this forum or any other.
Thanks


Hey, that would be me you're looking for. I have just started lurking on here, and mainly post on O*terlimits :oops: . PM me if you want a kit.

I have one of my kits runnung in a customers Jimny. He used a G15a motor, with the Jimny manifold bolted on, using the Jimny loom and computer.
He did swap the injectors to the G15a ones, but they were a direct swap.

From feedback so far though, you will need a body lift, even with the lower Jimny intake manifold.

Ben

Sweet thanks for finding me BenT.
I was hoping not to put a body lift in because it ain't part of me budget.
But I'll PM ya tomorrow night about it mate.
Roughly how much for adapter + freight to Newcastle Australia?
Cheers
Brad
Author:  BenT [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
woody1 wrote:
Roughly how much for adapter + freight to Newcastle Australia?
Cheers
Brad


$200AU - shipped to anywhere in OZ.

Should be a link in my sig with a pic.

And I should point out the kits only work with the G13 Jimny's not the later M13 powered ones.

Ben
Author:  Buddy [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
Can vouch for the quality of BenT's adaptor kit. Smicko and bloody cheap compared with Yank and other kits. Just fitted a G16A to my Sierra using it. Comes with good instructions also.
Author:  Scrawny [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
:woohoo: Another Kiwi!! :lol:

Welcome Ben. I can also vouch for Bens adaptors. I fitted one on the weekend, very easy and looks like good quality stuff. I loved the machined studs :D
Body lift kits are cheap from just_cruizin too, also a good kit and easy to install (when he supplies the instructions)
Author:  Hybrid [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
Yep got Ben's adapter in mine. Its good kit. Also Ben I like how you spelt outers with an asterix in there. Auszookers doesn't have a swear filter so you can spell outerlimits correctly. :p
Author:  BenT [ Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
Thanks for the welcome and the good reviews guys.

Ben
Author:  woody1 [ Sun Jun 07, 2009 4:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
I've eventually decided to go a full reco on me 1.3 ltr instead.
Roughly the same price with less hassle with a heavy duty clutch as well.
Thanks a million for all ya help everyone.
My hat goes off to all of you on this forum.
Fairdinkum this was my first post on this forum and was overwhelmed on how quick and helpful you all are.
Cheers
Brad.
Author:  kenn [ Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jimny 1.6ltr Conversion.
Use Daikin/Exedy (i think that's how it's spelt) clutch , and don't let them sell you a Swift one... :wink:
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