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hi im wanting to fit a ca18det in to my nt zook it has a g16b in it now but want more power, im thinking auto, but depends whats easyer to fit manual might fit better. has any one done this? prity much i want to know if i can fit this with out moving the transfer case, how short can a jack shaft be? thanks in advance.

hi im wanting to fit a ca18det in to my nt zook it has a g16b in it now but want more power, im thinking auto, but depends whats easyer to fit manual might fit better. has any one done this? prity much i want to know if i can fit this with out moving the transfer case, how short can a jack shaft be? thanks in advance.

t all the serches i have done on turboing or supper charging them every one has blown them rods and heads, os this true?

how much can yhe standard 1.6 ecu take mod wise? bigger cam and say 7psi?

boost=money wrote:

t all the serches i have done on turboing or supper charging them every one has blown them rods and heads, os this true?

how much can yhe standard 1.6 ecu take mod wise? bigger cam and say 7psi?

Im guessing these would be very much related. Yes you may be able to run the stock ecu and fudge it to get it running with boost ie rising rate fuel pressure regulator and knock back the static timing (if dizzy equipt). Even still the fuel maps and especially the timing map is way out to suit forced induction. So what your left with is rather high CR engine, boosted running on a less than ideal tune.

Scrap the bigger cam and go standalone ECU and then possibly boost and get it tuned correctly. At least then it will stand half a chance of surviving for a descent amount of time.

Dan

the g16b just laks tough, and i have owned many cars with ca18det very stong and reliable motor

can the standard ecu be remapped at all? i realy want more touque as the standard g16b has no touque it just revs thats y i was thinking the ca, i might look at super charging it, whats the best charger for a 1.6? the corrola one? any know if thats souted? and has any one done this that could give me some advise, cheers

is there a piggy back for the g16b? if i go stand alone ecu i can scrap the afm, and go map sensior, the afm looks so restrictive with that cone set up very strange,

bit of both on and off, want to fit 33's just want more power the 1.6 is poo. mayb if i charge it it might go better, not sure if its worth buying a ecu, chaeger fitting it, when i can get a fully rebuilt ca18det for 2500 with every thing box ecu loom ect, is there mush work moving the transfer back? just make mounts and get shafts made?

is there a piggy back for the g16b? if i go stand alone ecu i can scrap the afm, and go map sensior, the afm looks so restrictive with that cone set up very strange,

Hay 2stroker, every time i read a post of yours it reminds me of a police report!! :shocked:

steknig wrote:

Hay 2stroker, every time i read a post of yours it reminds me of a police report!! :shocked:

Just two different methods mate, I do one long post and you do 56 short ones...ha ha

Yeah but thats why You are azcrew and I am rockstacker

Had to post my friggen brain's out to get post whore :wink:

steknig wrote:

Had to post my friggen brain's out to get post whore :wink:

Ahh, but it's kept us Boys in the Band thoroughly entertained.

Author:	boost=money [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:31 am ]
Post subject:	help putting ca18det into sierra
hi im wanting to fit a ca18det in to my nt zook it has a g16b in it now but want more power, im thinking auto, but depends whats easyer to fit manual might fit better. has any one done this? prity much i want to know if i can fit this with out moving the transfer case, how short can a jack shaft be? thanks in advance.

Author:	nick.gooding [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:49 am ]
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boost=money wrote: hi im wanting to fit a ca18det in to my nt zook it has a g16b in it now but want more power, im thinking auto, but depends whats easyer to fit manual might fit better. has any one done this? prity much i want to know if i can fit this with out moving the transfer case, how short can a jack shaft be? thanks in advance. You can give me your g16b i would have thought a 1.6 was heaps of power for 4wding?? What about a turbo for the g16b??? From what i have herd they are one of the best engines in a zook...

Author:	steak_knife [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:51 am ]
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boost=money wrote: hi im wanting to fit a ca18det in to my nt zook it has a g16b in it now but want more power, im thinking auto, but depends whats easyer to fit manual might fit better. has any one done this? prity much i want to know if i can fit this with out moving the transfer case, how short can a jack shaft be? thanks in advance. Why not? You may need to, how long is the box? you really want the motor as close to the fire wall as you can get it.

Author:	zookster666 [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:08 am ]
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When I looked at doing this conversion in my searches i found u need to move the transfer 100 to 150 mm back alot easier to do if it was a lwb just turbo the 1.6

Author:	lump_a_charcoal [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:56 am ]
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Supercharge it!!!

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Author:	BlueSuzy [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:27 pm ]
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There is no need for more power then a g16b. Unless your running 40's i guess.. Buy a 180sx/silvia to go with the ca18det

Author:	Highway-Star [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:50 pm ]
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ca18zook has this setup and it works quite well: http://www.auszookers.com/index.php?nam ... pic&t=1722 and yes his transfer is moved back.

Author:	Ridge [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:02 pm ]
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putting a turbo on would be easier then swapping motors. i saw a sierra a few months ago with a wrx turbo and g16b, it had 150hp.

Author:	boost=money [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:18 pm ]
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the g16b just laks tough, and i have owned many cars with ca18det very stong and reliable motor, i herd that the 16 did not like boost? all the serches i have done on turboing or supper charging them every one has blown them rods and heads, os this true? the 16 and box is 900mm long and the ca and auto box is 1600mm long. how much can yhe standard 1.6 ecu take mod wise? bigger cam and say 7psi?

Author:	JrZook [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:06 pm ]
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boost=money wrote: t all the serches i have done on turboing or supper charging them every one has blown them rods and heads, os this true? how much can yhe standard 1.6 ecu take mod wise? bigger cam and say 7psi? Im guessing these would be very much related. Yes you may be able to run the stock ecu and fudge it to get it running with boost ie rising rate fuel pressure regulator and knock back the static timing (if dizzy equipt). Even still the fuel maps and especially the timing map is way out to suit forced induction. So what your left with is rather high CR engine, boosted running on a less than ideal tune. Scrap the bigger cam and go standalone ECU and then possibly boost and get it tuned correctly. At least then it will stand half a chance of surviving for a descent amount of time. Dan

Author:	Damo [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:16 pm ]
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JrZook wrote: boost=money wrote: t all the serches i have done on turboing or supper charging them every one has blown them rods and heads, os this true? how much can yhe standard 1.6 ecu take mod wise? bigger cam and say 7psi? Im guessing these would be very much related. Yes you may be able to run the stock ecu and fudge it to get it running with boost ie rising rate fuel pressure regulator and knock back the static timing (if dizzy equipt). Even still the fuel maps and especially the timing map is way out to suit forced induction. So what your left with is rather high CR engine, boosted running on a less than ideal tune. Scrap the bigger cam and go standalone ECU and then possibly boost and get it tuned correctly. At least then it will stand half a chance of surviving for a descent amount of time. Dan I think you'll find that the biggest problem with turboing the g16 is avoiding detonation, unless you go to the expense of custom pistons to drop the compression ratio. If you only want to go 7psi (which should be heaps IMO), keeping the stock cam and compression ratio would be fine. Aftermarket ECU like Jr Zook suggested will give it a chance of being reliable. Water injection should keep detonation under control. That's how i'd do it anyway.

Author:	Ben_Sierra [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:18 pm ]
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boost=money wrote: the g16b just laks tough, and i have owned many cars with ca18det very stong and reliable motor My Vitara G16 had 280,000kms on it and still ran sweet as anything. Don't tell me that isn't a strong and reliable motor...

Author:	boost=money [ Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:30 am ]
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can the standard ecu be remapped at all? i realy want more touque as the standard g16b has no touque it just revs thats y i was thinking the ca, i might look at super charging it, whats the best charger for a 1.6? the corrola one? any know if thats souted? and has any one done this that could give me some advise, cheers

Author:	steak_knife [ Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:39 am ]
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boost=money wrote: can the standard ecu be remapped at all? i realy want more touque as the standard g16b has no touque it just revs thats y i was thinking the ca, i might look at super charging it, whats the best charger for a 1.6? the corrola one? any know if thats souted? and has any one done this that could give me some advise, cheers You can get them chipped, but if thay haven't chipped one before, you pay for the development of said chip, could take a few to get it right. In that case you'd be better of with a stand alone or piggy back.

Author:	2stroker [ Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:25 pm ]
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Firstly everyone so far is talking hypothetically, I have not seen a post from anyone that actually HAS a turbocharged or supercharged 1.3 or 1.6 Suzuki engine in a sierra. There are some around and some belong to people who read this forum, the ones I know of have spent and continue to spend plenty of money and are still not totally happy with the result. steknig makes a very good point in asking what you want from the car, he has seen his share of modified suzukis, in fact I think his first ride in a suzuki was in my nissan powered LJ, unfortunately everything is a compromise and if you want a reliable vehicle that is geared so that that it is capable of dragging itself up and down wicked tracks it is not going to be a long distance tourer or a Saturday night industrial estate drag racer and vice versa. If done properly a conversion like a ca18 or 4age is going to give you the power that you are seeking and will have drivability and reliability that you just won’t get from a 1.3 or 1.6 Suzuki engine that has been highly modified to achieve that same kind of power. To get that kind of power from your Suzuki engine you will have to spend a lot of money and you will end up with a fragile result. Maybe Darren would like to post about his experiences over the last 4-5 years of development and off road racing his turbocharged Suzuki. The Suzuki engine is designed for a specific purpose, in good condition it will cruise along at the speed limit and will take you anywhere you want to go in the bush over all kinds of terrain with reliability and enough power to do the job. I have had and still do have Suzuki's fitted with engines from other manufacturers but I have to agree with the majority of people on the forum and say that an EFI 1.6 Vitara engine is still probably the best all round conversion for a sierra. If you are worried about moving the transfer case which will also entail having drive shafts and jack shaft remade then don't consider a conversion because that is the least of your worries. You have wiring, plumbing, mounting, sump clearance, firewall clearance, tunnel clearance, and cooling issues that will far outweigh the driveline issues which will be farmed out anyway. If all this does not deter you then I would suggest that you look at a 4age or 20 valve conversion before the ca18 mainly because it is a more commonly done conversion so the issues have been addressed and detailed information is available in relation to fitment, parts to be used, stitching in the loom etc. and you don't have the added engineering issue of going over 1600cc.

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Author:	boost=money [ Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:43 am ]
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is there a piggy back for the g16b? if i go stand alone ecu i can scrap the afm, and go map sensior, the afm looks so restrictive with that cone set up very strange,

Author:	steak_knife [ Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:49 am ]
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boost=money wrote: is there a piggy back for the g16b? if i go stand alone ecu i can scrap the afm, and go map sensior, the afm looks so restrictive with that cone set up very strange, Yes, Yes, Yes! Huge friggen gain in power, Std comp's are set to give economy not power, piggy back is piggy back, just do some research 1st to find a good one. Map is what most after market's want (don't have to give it to em tho) Haltec make a water resistant ecu that is simple to install & give's set & forget reliability. Have driven 20v 4age's before & after & the power gain is amazing.

Author:	zookster666 [ Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:37 am ]
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stand alone ecu's are great my gti sierra had one and it flew i was amazed that a stock 1.3 engine could get near 100 hp with just the ecu Are you after tourqe off road or on road? If off road just get reduction gears would be alot easier

Author:	boost=money [ Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:48 am ]
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bit of both on and off, want to fit 33's just want more power the 1.6 is poo. mayb if i charge it it might go better, not sure if its worth buying a ecu, chaeger fitting it, when i can get a fully rebuilt ca18det for 2500 with every thing box ecu loom ect, is there mush work moving the transfer back? just make mounts and get shafts made?

Author:	steak_knife [ Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:27 am ]
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boost=money wrote: bit of both on and off, want to fit 33's just want more power the 1.6 is poo. mayb if i charge it it might go better, not sure if its worth buying a ecu, chaeger fitting it, when i can get a fully rebuilt ca18det for 2500 with every thing box ecu loom ect, is there mush work moving the transfer back? just make mounts and get shafts made? Doing a conversion is a big job, it's not a thing that can be done over a week end, so many thing need to be changed/modified that you would want a considerable gain to warrant it, unless your going to race it you don't need that much power, you have to remember that it's only a small car & terminal speed can be reached with a 1.3, if you want to drag ya mate's, your in the wrong car, if you want a capable 4wd, you own one.

Author:	steak_knife [ Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:04 pm ]
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Hay 2stroker, every time i read a post of yours it reminds me of a police report!!

Author:	oozuk [ Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:31 pm ]
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boost=money wrote: is there a piggy back for the g16b? if i go stand alone ecu i can scrap the afm, and go map sensior, the afm looks so restrictive with that cone set up very strange, trust me don't wast your time with the STD ecu or piggy backs, go look for a good second hand aftermarket ecu (haltech) that will suit your needs. then you be able to scrap alot of stuff like the AFM

Author:	2stroker [ Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:38 pm ]
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steknig wrote: Hay 2stroker, every time i read a post of yours it reminds me of a police report!! Just two different methods mate, I do one long post and you do 56 short ones...ha ha

Author:	steak_knife [ Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:58 pm ]
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2stroker wrote: steknig wrote: Hay 2stroker, every time i read a post of yours it reminds me of a police report!! Just two different methods mate, I do one long post and you do 56 short ones...ha ha Same amount of typing involved. You would think I learn hay.

Author:	2stroker [ Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:03 pm ]
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Yeah but thats why You are azcrew and I am rockstacker

Author:	steak_knife [ Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:09 pm ]
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2stroker wrote: Yeah but thats why You are azcrew and I am rockstacker I just bought a sticker for that!! Had to post my friggen brain's out to get post whore tho

Author:	303zuke [ Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:58 pm ]
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steknig wrote: Had to post my friggen brain's out to get post whore Ahh, but it's kept us Boys in the Band thoroughly entertained.

Author:	steak_knife [ Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:00 pm ]
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303zuke wrote: steknig wrote: Had to post my friggen brain's out to get post whore Ahh, but it's kept us Boys in the Band thoroughly entertained. Glad do be of service.